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Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM
Some downsides...

There can be corruption- organized crime and unions is a well-known trope.

They can get entrenched- even though teachers don't have it NEARLY as good as some people think, there's a reason why the tenured teacher who is impossible to fire is another trope.


Like, I don't see why this is difficult to understand. It is BAD when one side gets too much power. It's true in politics, it's true for sports teams, and it's true here.

A corporation with no kind of worker protection org opposing it will inevitably take advantage of its workers- or, at the very least, there will be no outside incentive NOT to.

A union that holds all the bargaining power can be a large thorn in its employers' side.


It's not a case of one side being good and the other side being evil. If one side has too much power, it is bad. Full stop.
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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1358 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. Tom - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 698 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 640 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 683 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... moondog - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 679 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 615 Views
Dude, that's insane. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 678 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 564 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 618 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less moondog - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 719 Views
The good and the bad of unions: Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 794 Views
Double post. Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 854 Views
Ok...employeers demanding people to do more for less. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:56:32 PM 628 Views
the point was that the union did not strike, the workers were prevented from working by management moondog - 13/12/2012 11:25:07 PM 648 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... beetnemesis - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 615 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* Narg - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 404 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? Cannoli - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 712 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only moondog - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 601 Views
Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 824 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. Narg - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 720 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... Jeordam - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 743 Views
one point i need to address here: moondog - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 568 Views
Re: I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. moondog - 14/12/2012 10:07:39 PM 524 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: beetnemesis - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 777 Views
it's great? moondog - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 653 Views
Pissed off people.... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 568 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? moondog - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 695 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 557 Views
but that's my point exactly moondog - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 612 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* Isaac - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 326 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 592 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 584 Views
unions still aren't the problem in michigan, it's reliance on a single industry as the main employer moondog - 12/12/2012 06:37:44 PM 569 Views
Michigan is one of the fastest growing areas for the tech industry. Michigan is starting to expand. everynametaken - 19/12/2012 03:28:18 AM 752 Views
So let me get this straight. Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 654 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 601 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD moondog - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 642 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... Tom - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 608 Views
That would be an interesting study... Jeordam - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 592 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... moondog - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 553 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 638 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. moondog - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 605 Views
How is that wrong? Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 570 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions moondog - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 588 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. Tom - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 583 Views
A brilliant argument... Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 657 Views
You are assuming that business owners do not value "on the job" experience Orange - 14/12/2012 09:03:35 AM 697 Views
Your hypothetical doesn't stand up in the real world, however. Tom - 14/12/2012 02:46:23 PM 648 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems moondog - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 584 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics Tom - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 517 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through moondog - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 594 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. Tom - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 565 Views
i'll take you one further.... moondog - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 522 Views
I have suggested that before Tom - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 574 Views
so you did. sorry about that! moondog - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 540 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) Jeordam - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 576 Views
funny thing about that..... moondog - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 518 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 596 Views
What do you want me to say? Jeordam - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 698 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 315 Views
The unions already destroyed the middle class..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:46:56 PM 611 Views
Do you really not understand why unions existed in the first place? Dannymac - 14/12/2012 06:55:27 AM 543 Views
Why they first existed is not in issue. It is if they STILL serve a useful or detrimental purpose. HyogaRott - 14/12/2012 03:00:48 PM 603 Views
Yeah, moron! What is wrong with you, that you do not blindly accept his underlying premise? Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:35:37 AM 934 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. callandor1000 - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 638 Views
This must be a trying time for you. Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 591 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 281 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit Amyrlin - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 734 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 558 Views
You have the right to work, not the right to vote in an election as you see fit and keep your job. *NM* heartbreak - 15/12/2012 03:23:13 AM 366 Views
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