I don't feel like going through your post and pulling out quotes so feel free to refer back to see what I am responding to.
Sex is not required to be healthy. I'm healthy (though my cholesterol is a tad high) and happy and been celibate, by choice, for years. A "need" for sex is not healthy and cause to seek psychological assistance. Sex is fun, so is jumping out of airplanes. Neither are necessary to be "happy" if either is, then you have much deeper problems.
Your statements on not excepting risk are childish. Every time you choose to do something, you accept risk, even if you choose to just sit in your home and do nothing. You may or may not think about what those risks are, and in doing so make an adult decision about if you want to accept the risk and do it anyway. However, the risks are not dependent on your reasoned awareness, they simply are. If you choose to eat raw pork, you are risking becoming ill. If you tap dance across the freeway, you risk becoming a smear on the asphalt. If you have sex (even "protected" sex ), you risk pregnancy and/or STDs. Sorry you don't like it, but that is the way the universe functions, your preferences do not matter.
You are legally allowed to use deadly force to stop a rape, and I urge you to do so. However, you are not legally allowed to shoot your attacker after he pulls his pants up and walks away. Personally i would hunt the scum down and insure that he/or she met an extremely grisly end, but the law doesn't see it that way. This is where your analogy breaks down. Frankly I think execution is the only way to punish rapists, but too many other folks disagree with me, often referring to the "sanctity of life" and how it is wrong for the state to murder someone, or how execution is cruel. Oddly enough, many of those same people are OK with abortion...
I am unable to follow the reasoning on your plant metaphor. The only way I can make any sense out of it is using existential philosophy; but I seriously doubt that is what you intended.
Would you walk out in the morning, an upon finding a cute little kitten snap its neck, or would you go get it a saucer of milk? If you wouldn't kill the kitten out of hand, why do you think it is OK to simply kill a human child? BTW, killing the kitten would get you arrested and jailed, another law that is often supported by folks who are just fine with elective abortion. If your reason for the difference is the amount if inconvenience that child could/would cause you, then I feel sorry for you.
The vast majority of us, seeing a child sitting in the middle of a busy street, believe we would risk our lives to run out into traffic to save him/her. The public at large would cheer that person as a hero for their selfless action. Why is a child that has not yet hat its first taste of oxygen worth less than the one sitting in a burning building?
Sex is not required to be healthy. I'm healthy (though my cholesterol is a tad high) and happy and been celibate, by choice, for years. A "need" for sex is not healthy and cause to seek psychological assistance. Sex is fun, so is jumping out of airplanes. Neither are necessary to be "happy" if either is, then you have much deeper problems.
Your statements on not excepting risk are childish. Every time you choose to do something, you accept risk, even if you choose to just sit in your home and do nothing. You may or may not think about what those risks are, and in doing so make an adult decision about if you want to accept the risk and do it anyway. However, the risks are not dependent on your reasoned awareness, they simply are. If you choose to eat raw pork, you are risking becoming ill. If you tap dance across the freeway, you risk becoming a smear on the asphalt. If you have sex (even "protected" sex ), you risk pregnancy and/or STDs. Sorry you don't like it, but that is the way the universe functions, your preferences do not matter.
You are legally allowed to use deadly force to stop a rape, and I urge you to do so. However, you are not legally allowed to shoot your attacker after he pulls his pants up and walks away. Personally i would hunt the scum down and insure that he/or she met an extremely grisly end, but the law doesn't see it that way. This is where your analogy breaks down. Frankly I think execution is the only way to punish rapists, but too many other folks disagree with me, often referring to the "sanctity of life" and how it is wrong for the state to murder someone, or how execution is cruel. Oddly enough, many of those same people are OK with abortion...
I am unable to follow the reasoning on your plant metaphor. The only way I can make any sense out of it is using existential philosophy; but I seriously doubt that is what you intended.
Would you walk out in the morning, an upon finding a cute little kitten snap its neck, or would you go get it a saucer of milk? If you wouldn't kill the kitten out of hand, why do you think it is OK to simply kill a human child? BTW, killing the kitten would get you arrested and jailed, another law that is often supported by folks who are just fine with elective abortion. If your reason for the difference is the amount if inconvenience that child could/would cause you, then I feel sorry for you.
The vast majority of us, seeing a child sitting in the middle of a busy street, believe we would risk our lives to run out into traffic to save him/her. The public at large would cheer that person as a hero for their selfless action. Why is a child that has not yet hat its first taste of oxygen worth less than the one sitting in a burning building?
This message last edited by HyogaRott on 20/11/2012 at 04:05:48 PM
woman dies after doctors deny her a life-saving abortion
14/11/2012 06:58:31 PM
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this is so terribly sad. keeping abortions legal is important. *NM*
14/11/2012 07:09:00 PM
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Well, I guess to expedite the process of argument and counter-argument, I'll post an article an
14/11/2012 07:28:01 PM
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you're right, i should have posted the actual article instead of an editorial. thanks!
14/11/2012 08:14:42 PM
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so terrible... i will never understand how this crap is considered "pro-life." *NM*
15/11/2012 01:15:56 AM
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Maybe this is more a testament to the quality of care in that hospital than an arguemnt for abortion *NM*
15/11/2012 01:49:00 PM
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Can you elaborate?
16/11/2012 04:07:48 PM
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Do you have access to her medical charts?
16/11/2012 08:44:45 PM
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The infection was from the fetus inside of her. That is not disputed.
16/11/2012 10:14:52 PM
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This wasn't pro-life, but more a case of anti-thinking
15/11/2012 06:28:55 PM
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but the pro-life (or anti-abortion) argument was the reason they gave for not allowing an abortion
15/11/2012 10:00:14 PM
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Once you know for certain that the mother is dying, it is too late.
16/11/2012 04:11:25 PM
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Statistically speaking...
15/11/2012 07:03:51 PM
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Psst.
15/11/2012 09:43:35 PM
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Re: Statistically speaking...
15/11/2012 10:56:35 PM
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Where's the due process?
15/11/2012 11:35:39 PM
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First, prove that the fetus is a "ONE".
16/11/2012 04:14:34 PM
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That argument is specious
16/11/2012 08:36:07 PM
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But you cannot call another living person an "environment." Only for parasites.
16/11/2012 10:16:18 PM
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Yes I can, look up the word environment
17/11/2012 11:49:55 AM
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No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy.
20/11/2012 01:41:07 PM
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Re: No, I do not accept the risk of pregnancy.
20/11/2012 03:59:19 PM
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Win some, lose some
15/11/2012 11:29:32 PM
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Some facts for you - from the article Stephen linked in his reply above, and from general knowledge.
16/11/2012 09:38:32 PM
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That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER
17/11/2012 07:06:58 PM
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Wow.
17/11/2012 07:28:23 PM
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Nah, I don't *try* to insult anyone (most of the time) , though I seem to do so fairly regularly. *NM*
18/11/2012 07:41:43 PM
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Re: That is the most rational argument put forth thus far, HOWEVER
17/11/2012 08:07:19 PM
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Nice decision to turn to insults. Print out your post and let it join your head, up your ass.
18/11/2012 07:50:18 PM
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The difference between Ireland and the UK is about 0.006%
17/11/2012 08:31:45 PM
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It illustrates that the "life of the mother" argument is rare to the point of irrelevance. *NM*
18/11/2012 07:45:36 PM
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And yet this case makes it irrefutably relevant. *NM*
20/11/2012 05:18:23 PM
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No, it really does not. Because the situation is so rare as to not be worth even discussing...
21/11/2012 03:24:01 PM
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In your opinion - in mine, and I suspect others here, it is not.
22/11/2012 12:03:20 AM
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I am not debating opinion, you can't debate opinion, I am trying to point out facts.
22/11/2012 05:29:24 PM
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