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Since I am neither a woman nor doctor, none. Joel Send a noteboard - 28/10/2012 01:56:51 PM
Seriously, this seems to some sort of psychological blindspot. How sensitive a topic is this for you? I would think your bullshit detector would have picked up on some obvious flaws here.

It is sensitive to the extent I do not want federal law killing women. Feelings on that should not depend on whether one is directly affected. How many teenaged girls died bearing your children to make YOU so invested in the issue? :rolleyes: It is rather backward to say personal involvement makes someones opinion less rather than more relevant; it may not be objective, but is manifestly relevant.

"With modern technology and science, you can't find one instance," Walsh declared in comments to reporters after a televised debate Thursday night against Democrat Tammy Duckworth in the northwest suburban 8th District race.
Ah, yes. The old standard whereby Republicans' off-the-cuff comments are held to the standard of precisely composed formal policy statements. Oh, wait. Joel here. Michelle Obama pretty much writes off all accomplishments of the USA's history next to the nomination of a callow half-white hustler, and it's all "leave the poor woman alone, she's just a simple housewife who had no idea anyone records things at presidential nominating conventions," but every little error or slip of the tongue by the party running against the Obama-Biden gaffe machine, gets a whole hyperbolic post from Joel. 8}

Saying her husbands nomination was the first time IN HER LIFE she was proud of her country is not writing off all of US history. Since she probably does not remember the moon landing well (she was only 5 at the time,) I sympathize with her position: What has America done to make anyone proud since then? Bankrupt the Soviet Union? It was going bankrupt whatever we did; we just sped up the clock at the cost of bankrupting ourselves into the bargain. From <$1 trillion federal debt to $12 trillion in 30 years of Reaganomics, despite a reprieve under Clinton, Dole and Gingrich.

Here is the thing though: Michelle Obama does not write, pass nor sign federal laws. When a legislator makes a policy statement to the press during a campaign, it is not "off the cuff," or should not be. Legislators making indefensible factually false policy statements during an election face electoral consequences. We cannot all promise to decrease tax revenue $5 trillion, increase military spending $2 trillion AND erase a $1 trillion federal deficit. Apparently -1-5-2=0; it is a wonder Bains companies stayed in busin—oh... right.... :rolleyes:

By Friday those comments had created a firestorm, and tea party icon Walsh was in damage-control mode. At a hastily called news conference, the freshman congressman backed off that sweeping assertion, slightly, acknowledging "very rare circumstances" where lifesaving abortions might be required.

Medical experts sought to refute Walsh's initial claim. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists said 600 women die annually in the U.S. from pregnancy and childbirth-related causes.
If we could knock the abortion numbers down to 600 a year, the whole pro-Life movement would be thrilled. All this nonsensical, and behind-the-cycle declaration, by a special interest group no less (would the counter-arguments of an oil company get into the 4th paragraph of an article covering an environmentalist congressman's diatribe against that industry? Of course not. You can slander the oil industry, which is pretty much an indispensible aspect of our society & its technology, until the cows come home and no one cares, but when someone exaggerates even slightly in an exasperated discussion of the lives of human beings, it's time for torches and pitchforks) does, is highlight how much of a bullshit smokescreen the "medical necessity" argument really is!

In the name of about 600 cases a year, we have to empower skanks, tramps and modern-day Medeas to indulge their selfishness and degeneracy through the murder of their own offspring, with five times as many abortions per DAY as medical necessity requires a year.

By the admissions of a group whose membership PROFITS from the practice of abortion, less than .06% of abortions are medically necessary to save the mother's life. For all intents and purposes, Walsh is right.

"All of these conditions can occur throughout the pregnancy," Levi said. "If these conditions occur prior to viability (of the fetus) then, at that point, abortion can become the only option to save the life of the mother."
"can become" Not always is.

Cases severe enough to require abortions are rare, Grimes said, adding that he nonetheless sees several a year.
Several a year. Not, everytime some low-life bitch decides fitting into her outfit AND indulging her basest impulses is a higher priority than taking a modicum of responsibility for her actions. Which happens over a thousand times as often.

Grimes took issue with anti-abortion politicians who view "women as some kind of Tupperware container that holds the fetus for nine months."
Some people take issue with doctors who profit off the view of a human life as cosmetic inconvenience.

Duckworth, who supports abortion rights, also took aim at Walsh. "I am flabbergasted that he is that out of touch with science," she said.
And I am hardly flabbergasted that a person with a vested financial interest and political alignment is making an argument from authority that Walsh is wrong.

"I want to make it very clear that I am in fact pro-life without exception," he said before outlining exceptions. One of the "very rare circumstances" that justify lifesaving medical intervention for the mother that will kill a fetus, Walsh said, is an ectopic pregnancy, in which an embryo embeds outside the uterus.

Walsh later released what he characterized as medical evidence to back up his claims. It did not, however, consist of studies but rather excerpts of statements, most decades old, from physicians casting doubt on the need to abort a child to save a mother's life.
And how many studies are cited and quoted in this article? Zero. Just excerpts of statements from physicians with a vested interest in denying the human factor in abortion.

You make a fine argument against abortion as "retroactive birth control" (though pro-lifers opposing PROACTIVE birth control just as strongly undermines it.) Yet that is not the debate. The question is not "should we allow abortion on demand, or only to save womens lives and possibly for rape victims?" That is a fair reasonable debate, but when seemingly the entire GOP Congressional delegation (VP, and, until a few months ago, presidential nominee) demand a federal law against abortion EVEN for rape victims, in some cases even for women who will die without abortion, we are not debating "no fault" abortion: We are debating whether federal law should kill women to satisfy the Republican Partys warped notion of "morality."

I have liked Tammy Duckworth since her failed Congressional run in '06, after losing both legs as an Army chopper pilot in Iraq. Her opponent then, Congressman Pete Roskam, supported the war in which he refused to enlist, accusing her of wanting to "cut and run," even though she cannot run anywhere these days.
And what the fuck does that have to do with anything? If she doesn't want to be criticized using commonplace expressions that remind her of the injuries she took at the dangerous job she volunteered for, then maybe she should NOT RUN FOR CONGRESS (a concept no one has a problem with when it comes to making insinuations about the personal lives of Sarah Palin's children). Once you enter the arena, you can't expect people to give way to you on common courtesy, especially on something as important as the legislature of the most powerful country in the world. A political office is not a seat on the bus - you don't get one just by showing up with a sob story.

Palins problem was prating about the GOPs "Christian family values" while her unwed teen daughter dropped out of HS because pregnant by a man she never married. Practice what you preach or STFU, Sarah. The relevance of Duckworths last campaign to her current one is just what I said: I thought no one could be more ignorantly and hypocritically insensitive than a career civilian opponent accusing a double amputee veteran of cowardice, but Walsh found a way.

And why do you like her? What does she have that makes her worthy of your affections and support, aside from possibly the status that gives you the illusion of moral high ground in lambasting anyone insenstive enough to believe that her political positions make her a bad choice for Congress? That's really all you are saying here - You're willing to jump on anything her opponent says or does because you think her injuries give her some sort of blanket immunity from criticism.

She supports increased federal education support instead of Bushs "we are raising your standards you were not meeting and cutting your funding to meet them."

She supports VA medical care and treatment, rather than sending soldiers off to injury or death then leaving them and their families to twist in the wind.

She supports federal healthcare availability to kids, the elderly and the poor and, obviously, is pro-choice.

That the Republicans she has run against are miserable excuses for human beings is just icing on the cake.

Not to mention, only a liberal would think admiting his affection for someone or something does anything to his argument beyond undermine its pretense at rational analysis and transform it into a partisan screed. Only a liberal would cite his affection for a politician and her handicapped status as if either were some sort of credential on his or her part.

It is called "full disclosure."

I thought nothing could top that ignorant insensitivity, but Tea Partier Joe Walsh found a way.

It is hard to keep track of all the GOP Congressmen demanding a federal abortion ban with no exceptions—even to save a womans life.
Honestly, if making effective exceptions endangers the whole cause, those 600 women are a small price to pay for the million+ lives that a non-excepted ban would protect.

Their lives are NO price for YOU to pay: THEY pay it instead, and assuredly feel differentlly. However, effective exceptions do not "endanger the whole cause." Ya'll get a lot of traction opposing "no fault" abortion on demand, and justifiably. The Republican Party freaking VOLUNTEERED to deny abortions for rape victims, even to save womens lives. No one put a gun to these Congressmens heads and coerced those positions, so it is safe to say they are sincere.

Maybe that does not reflect the whole party (that put the same demand in its platform) but voting for ANY Republican is probably voting for a federal ban on even life-saving abortion. Republicans keep asking, "why are we talking about abortion?" and the answer is "because ya'll keep advocating a federal abortion ban with no exceptions."
Except the responsible ones simply want to pull back the blatantly unjudicial Roe v Wade and fight this out state by state, or even put it to a vote. This is what we've only been saying for years. The absolute refusal to allow any sort of popular voice into the process is why people occasionally cap the odd abortionist, which really only started when Republican nominee Sandra Day O'Conner made it clear that due process would not get us anywhere.

Your closing argument is "allowing women civil rights that save their lives justifies pro-lifers murdering doctors"? Could you put that on a billboard? Please?
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This message last edited by Joel on 28/10/2012 at 02:08:36 PM
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