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No, I would err on the side of caution; have often said as much in just those words. Joel Send a noteboard - 27/10/2012 01:18:19 AM
You know full well that there is no scientific proof that could convince you. We already know what is going inside the growing embryo, that it is genetically human and on its path to mature adulthood then death. That course has already been set. It has no more of a say about its survival than a 1 month old or even a 6 month old, both of which are every bit as dependent on another human for life as the fetus is, and both of which we regard as "beings".

The only proof you could be talking about is scripture/revelation of God's will. And I doubt you want to base a law on scripture, after all how dare you force your religious beliefs on somebody else. You won't accept what the church father's have said, though you no doubt accept the creeds. What could change your mind?


I couldn't have put it better myself (and I totally mean that). It is interesting that we provide rights to newborns & infants who can pretty much just breathe and poo on their own. And we also provide rights to individuals who are are draw breath by way of machine intervention. Yet for someone who isn't born yet (a distinct individual) with those same limitations, nothing.

Joel desires proof, yet lacking proof he does not err on the side of caution. Its much akin to having a glass of unknown liquid. It could be pure water, and it could be water with poison. Since he don't know, he's gonna drink the liquid and take his chances.

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Perfect example of media sensationalism - 26/10/2012 04:13:41 PM 630 Views
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[citation needed] - 27/10/2012 12:15:41 AM 515 Views
It was an illinois state bill. *NM* - 27/10/2012 12:23:12 AM 316 Views
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Links: - 27/10/2012 12:51:12 AM 582 Views
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amazing - 28/10/2012 05:04:21 AM 666 Views

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