women *did* die before abortion was legalized, there should be no dispute of this aspect
moondog Send a noteboard - 26/10/2012 07:27:28 PM
at least, that is what i believe was being referred to with the comment of women being condemned to die through abortion procedures.
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- 26/10/2012 01:56:18 PM
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Do you really think God would condone abortion? *NM*
- 26/10/2012 03:28:25 PM
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Depends on when a fetus is a being, which the GOP contends is "at the moment of fertilization."
- 26/10/2012 03:57:44 PM
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Actually, I don't see any place in the Bible where God is....
- 26/10/2012 04:00:19 PM
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Where did I say one word about God accommodating our sin?
- 26/10/2012 05:55:52 PM
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You're technically right, Joel, but...
- 26/10/2012 07:32:10 PM
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Almost may count in hand grenades, but definitely not in canon. 
- 26/10/2012 10:28:57 PM
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- 26/10/2012 10:28:57 PM
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Your lack of scientific understanding is everything in this instance.
- 26/10/2012 10:44:05 PM
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Because whether God intends rape is aaaall about science, right?
- 26/10/2012 11:08:16 PM
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You're getting rather emphatic.
- 26/10/2012 11:27:07 PM
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Broad fundamental change to US law by controlling all three branches of government provokes that.
- 27/10/2012 12:44:59 AM
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Condemn women to die? What a strange way to look at this.
- 26/10/2012 07:17:16 PM
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women *did* die before abortion was legalized, there should be no dispute of this aspect
- 26/10/2012 07:27:28 PM
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So we legalize an illegal act because some are willing to harm themselves to do it? *NM*
- 26/10/2012 10:02:37 PM
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no, we legalize the act so that it can be performed safely without killing both mother *and* child *NM*
- 26/10/2012 11:08:52 PM
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Very good point, but that was not (at least soley) what I meant, no.
- 26/10/2012 11:12:32 PM
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If something should be illegal in its own right, it is nonsense to legalize it because criminals
- 26/10/2012 11:40:41 PM
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If banning it saves no lives but inevitably takes more, the ban is counterproductive.
- 27/10/2012 12:48:51 AM
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That is absolutely absurd. It saves the lives of all...
- 27/10/2012 12:59:16 AM
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you're still missing the point that abortions will still be performed if it were illegal
- 27/10/2012 01:02:57 AM
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I'm not missing the point, you are.
- 27/10/2012 01:21:39 AM
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This isn't necessarily true, though it is often due to other factors.
- 27/10/2012 02:48:00 PM
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People who want abortions badly enough to have one will, whether or not law makes it "convenient."
- 27/10/2012 02:58:52 AM
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Telling a woman whose life was in danger not to save it with abortion condemned her to die
- 26/10/2012 10:48:53 PM
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There is no proof that you would accept that a fetus is a child.
- 26/10/2012 11:31:50 PM
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Fantastic question.
- 26/10/2012 11:43:51 PM
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No, I would err on the side of caution; have often said as much in just those words.
- 27/10/2012 01:18:19 AM
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Sure there is; show me a fetus acting indepedently and consciously.
- 27/10/2012 01:15:00 AM
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Perfect example of media sensationalism
- 26/10/2012 04:13:41 PM
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I agree with your larger point and am not trying to be argumentative
- 26/10/2012 04:29:23 PM
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yeah, but what do women know about women's issues? this is man talk time!
- 26/10/2012 05:01:58 PM
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THAT is the whole problem with his comment.
- 26/10/2012 05:59:40 PM
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Or it could mean....
- 26/10/2012 11:50:53 PM
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Having addressed this in response to Legolas in moondogs thread on Mourdock, I will just link that.
- 27/10/2012 01:43:48 AM
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I agree
- 26/10/2012 07:27:21 PM
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It's always a slippery slope, talking about what God did and did not intend.
- 27/10/2012 12:06:22 AM
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There is a logically consistent way; you did not ask for it, so I will be brief.
- 27/10/2012 02:53:09 AM
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Pregnancy cannot be separated from its cause.
- 26/10/2012 05:51:28 PM
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God intends everything.
- 27/10/2012 04:40:58 PM
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"Intends" is a big word.
- 27/10/2012 09:23:13 PM
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It is sad that this is getting more press than the Bengazi scandal *NM*
- 26/10/2012 05:58:22 PM
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that's probably because it's more relevant to most people's lives *NM*
- 26/10/2012 06:06:10 PM
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This entire scandal really speaks to the Calvinist heresy in particular.
- 26/10/2012 07:10:38 PM
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I was trying REALLY hard to avoid putting it in precisely those terms. 
- 26/10/2012 10:12:17 PM
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- 26/10/2012 10:12:17 PM
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Well, but really, the fundamental crux of the issue is precisely that.
- 27/10/2012 01:03:26 AM
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True, but disputing founding articles of faith benefits from tact.
- 27/10/2012 02:02:48 AM
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Come on, Tom.
- 27/10/2012 03:29:39 AM
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I believe HE grasps the difference between predestination and determinism well.
- 27/10/2012 09:33:14 PM
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The comment that sparked this was moronic even to the vast majority of religious conservatives. *NM*
- 26/10/2012 09:42:51 PM
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Yet its author remains the only Senate nominee for whom Romney is running ads.
- 26/10/2012 10:53:37 PM
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Is the senator's comment more disgusting to you than the President's vote against the
- 26/10/2012 11:54:55 PM
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how does one vote against a bill which passed by unanimous consent?
- 27/10/2012 12:11:37 AM
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As a state senator in 2001 in illinois he was the sole opponent to the aforementioned bill. *NM*
- 27/10/2012 12:14:08 AM
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[citation needed]
- 27/10/2012 12:15:41 AM
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It was an illinois state bill. *NM*
- 27/10/2012 12:23:12 AM
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yes, i finally found *something* regarding a state bill which he did oppose
- 27/10/2012 12:34:40 AM
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The BAIPA became federal law 2 years before Obamas Senate win; he says he would have voted for it.
- 27/10/2012 02:33:26 AM
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Once he started taking fire for it he said he would have voted for it? Well that clears that up.
- 27/10/2012 07:09:21 AM
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He "took fire" for a federal law passed before he was in Congress?
- 27/10/2012 04:08:25 PM
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amazing
- 28/10/2012 05:04:21 AM
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Women are certainly encouraged to weigh in, but everyone is entitled to thoughts on the matter
- 28/10/2012 02:22:55 PM
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