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i see -- it's ok to be insulting as long as the "f-bomb" is not used. got it. moondog Send a noteboard - 23/10/2012 10:27:54 PM
Very well then, oh great and all knowing legal scholar, justify why it is ok to discriminate against me because I want to marry a corporation, or my own daughter, or 50 other people...

YOU CAN'T

The argument you make invalisates ANY restrictions upon who can or can not constitute a marraige, but you won't admit it.

You refuse to address, logically, andy of the points I raise, but instead resort to "fuck you"

well, grow up, this conversation is over.


let me start with: polygamy is illegal because when it was being practiced, it was often used to bring underage girls into marriages against their will. polygamy also relied upon sex trafficking, and raised questions about whether the women/girls were being married against their will and therefore subject to statutory rape laws among others. for these and other reasons, the US government made it illegal IN THE 1860s. i'm sure a case could be made for allowing the practice to continue since we supposedly have better enforcement of sex trafficking and statutory rape laws, but the fact is that it would be a much harder case to prove than allowing same-sex couples to enter into marriage since polygamy is by nature not the established method of marriage in this country, but yet couples marrying is.

you cannot legally marry a corporation because a corporation is not a single individual, it is technically a group of individuals. most property laws do not provide for a means of establishing ownership to a single individual in such a collection as a corporation. for this and other reasons, there is no legal framework to determine community property in such a marriage, and therefore no legal path to marriage. i.e. -- if you divorced the corporation, who gets the car, who gets the house, and who gets custody of any children you might have together? how would a corporation provide for a child's well-being in such an arrangement? how would the corporation's assets be divided when the spouse does not technically own any part of the corporation?

if you can settle these questions, you could very well make a legal case for marrying a corporation. in the meantime, all you have are fallacies which are nothing remotely approaching a logical argument no matter how many times you try to say otherwise. we get that you don't like that gays should be able to marry each other if they so desire. the problem is that you can't legally justify your belief so you resort to creating straw-man "logic" and attempt to use that straw-man to prove that the practice should not be allowed. no matter how many times you try to say you're using logic to argue the point, you're still not offering any justification for discriminating against a sizable portion of the population. and this is still a discrimination issue, whether you want to believe it or not.
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2nd Circuit rules in favor of Edith Windsor. DOMA unconstitutional. - 18/10/2012 08:37:12 PM 902 Views
An excellent ruling. Thanks for the post. *NM* - 18/10/2012 08:47:54 PM 256 Views
Oh, and they addressed the First Circuit's argument: - 18/10/2012 08:54:47 PM 711 Views
I always knew that DomA guy was bad news. - 18/10/2012 09:05:13 PM 467 Views
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Not really - 19/10/2012 02:16:04 PM 637 Views
Not quite - 19/10/2012 02:56:56 PM 504 Views
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joel, please stop - 19/10/2012 05:42:51 PM 572 Views
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Not the best analogy, though I agree with the sentiment. - 19/10/2012 04:10:11 PM 517 Views
Then by the "legal argument" you all propose I should have the "right" to marry a spoon... - 19/10/2012 05:48:32 PM 548 Views
if your spoon or dog is capable of making power of attorney decisions then by all means do so *NM* - 19/10/2012 06:41:43 PM 257 Views
How about I "marry" a corporation then. THAT is how stupid the entire arguement is. *NM* - 19/10/2012 07:25:13 PM 248 Views
provide for us a legal reason why marrying a corporation should be recognized by the US gov't - 19/10/2012 08:09:08 PM 621 Views
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you are only offering your own emotional take on a legal decision there is no logic in your posts - 19/10/2012 11:12:17 PM 532 Views
Wrong. I do not have an emotional stake in this, I am simply using logic. *NM* - 22/10/2012 03:59:08 PM 262 Views
saying you should be able to marry a spoon or corporation is not logical reasoning. try again *NM* - 22/10/2012 06:19:29 PM 243 Views
EXACTLY, and that was the point I was making. Congratualtions for figuring that out. *NM* - 22/10/2012 11:34:46 PM 230 Views
you are obviously using some humpty dumpty definition of "logic" then *NM* - 22/10/2012 11:40:12 PM 243 Views
No, you apparently failed reading comprehension in school. - 23/10/2012 03:08:44 PM 552 Views
#1: fuck you. #2: you are still not using logic - 23/10/2012 05:50:14 PM 513 Views
Ah yes, the fuck you argument... the height of all intelectual persuits... and you call ME emotional - 23/10/2012 06:47:21 PM 589 Views
i see -- it's ok to be insulting as long as the "f-bomb" is not used. got it. - 23/10/2012 10:27:54 PM 672 Views
Another good example of how corporations aren't the same as people. *NM* - 19/10/2012 10:07:32 PM 252 Views
Would you be the bride? Would you wear white? - 20/10/2012 07:58:52 PM 505 Views
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There is no right being denied... - 19/10/2012 07:22:24 PM 559 Views
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Nope I am not - 22/10/2012 04:34:59 PM 522 Views
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Yes, the laws are 100% secular... - 23/10/2012 07:01:08 PM 505 Views

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