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That is just it: Most US marriage laws are already areligious. Joel Send a noteboard - 23/10/2012 05:08:38 PM
It would be much more logical to join the religious argument about marriage instead of opposing it. Argue that it violates the Non-Establishment amendment, thus invalidating the existing marriage laws then participate in recrafting them in a more universal manner.

The Non-Establishment Clause requires no less, as does a functioning society. Many churches do not recognize marriages performed by a justice of the peace, let alone common law marriage, for good reason. I am told that couples in TX are legally married if they live together for six months and either says they are married with the knowledge but not denial of the other. Few churches consider that marriage, but the law does, with all pursuant rights, privileges and obligations (and TX is a community property state.) Just as obviously the Christian Church does not recognize Muslim marriages, Islam does not recognize Hindu marriages etc. etc. The law recognizes each of them, because it concerns itself with law, not religion, as the Constitution requires.

However, you couldn't then also try to force social and religious acceptance for their way of life down everyone's throats.

No, but the Equal Protection Clause would still require tolerance of them. No one is demanding the law force religious acceptance regardless; churches are, as always, free to marry anyone they like, or not—except, of course, federal and most state laws do not recognize gay marriages even when performed by churches. What does the Non-Establishment Clause say about that?

This whole debate is a stunning study in cognitive dissonance: The "Keep Big Brother out of my life and pocket" brigade demands government tell everyone whom they can marry. Authoritarian government is bad precisely because individuals cannot pick WHICH authority is in charge or hold it accountable.
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2nd Circuit rules in favor of Edith Windsor. DOMA unconstitutional. - 18/10/2012 08:37:12 PM 902 Views
An excellent ruling. Thanks for the post. *NM* - 18/10/2012 08:47:54 PM 256 Views
Oh, and they addressed the First Circuit's argument: - 18/10/2012 08:54:47 PM 712 Views
I always knew that DomA guy was bad news. - 18/10/2012 09:05:13 PM 467 Views
As it should be; the DoMA was always a brazen affront to the Equal Protection Clause - 19/10/2012 12:06:13 AM 715 Views
Not really - 19/10/2012 02:16:04 PM 637 Views
Not quite - 19/10/2012 02:56:56 PM 504 Views
Yes, really, for "any CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED RIGHT." - 19/10/2012 03:12:11 PM 610 Views
joel, please stop - 19/10/2012 05:42:51 PM 572 Views
That's such a stupid, puerile argument. - 19/10/2012 03:47:26 PM 589 Views
Not the best analogy, though I agree with the sentiment. - 19/10/2012 04:10:11 PM 518 Views
Then by the "legal argument" you all propose I should have the "right" to marry a spoon... - 19/10/2012 05:48:32 PM 548 Views
if your spoon or dog is capable of making power of attorney decisions then by all means do so *NM* - 19/10/2012 06:41:43 PM 257 Views
How about I "marry" a corporation then. THAT is how stupid the entire arguement is. *NM* - 19/10/2012 07:25:13 PM 248 Views
Another good example of how corporations aren't the same as people. *NM* - 19/10/2012 10:07:32 PM 252 Views
Would you be the bride? Would you wear white? - 20/10/2012 07:58:52 PM 506 Views
You have obviously not read my posts very carefully - 22/10/2012 04:23:22 PM 481 Views
Ah, the "I have Gay Friends" argument. - 22/10/2012 09:33:41 PM 502 Views
It was only a matter of time. - 19/10/2012 02:49:21 PM 557 Views
I do not understand why fundamentalists demand government dictate religion. - 19/10/2012 03:22:54 PM 715 Views
Which is why the entire method of legal attack being mounted is dumb. - 19/10/2012 05:53:12 PM 626 Views
the only ones forcing their beliefs down everyone's throats are people like yourself - 19/10/2012 06:44:57 PM 597 Views
There is no right being denied... - 19/10/2012 07:22:24 PM 559 Views
No? - 19/10/2012 11:34:36 PM 537 Views
Really - 22/10/2012 04:29:38 PM 539 Views
You are making one, huge factual mistake that is screwing up your entire argument: - 20/10/2012 11:00:28 PM 583 Views
Nope I am not - 22/10/2012 04:34:59 PM 522 Views
That is just it: Most US marriage laws are already areligious. - 23/10/2012 05:08:38 PM 537 Views
Yes, the laws are 100% secular... - 23/10/2012 07:01:08 PM 505 Views

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