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Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM
Before you get up in arms and think that I am trying to argue that legalizing gay marriage will lead to a slippery slope (polygamy, people marrying animals or kids, etc...), that is not my point. I am not trying to argue against gay marriage. I really want to get a sampling of opinions. Should polygamy be illegal? If not, why? If so, why?

It should not, primarily (though not solely) for the above stated reason. Whether marriage itself is a right or privilege is irrelevant to the Fourteenth Amendments Equal Protection Clause; the law must sanction all or no marriages between consenting adults, because it can neither be restricted to nor exclude any one group.

For a little devil's advocacy and to get your hearts appropriately bleeding, let's say a loving muslim family (I almost said couple, then I almost said threesome hehe) of one man and his two wives comes from Saudi Arabia to live in the US. Only they find that they cannot remain legally married here due to our anti-polygamy laws, and to their horror at least one of the loving soul mates must leave the marriage. All three are devastated. Assume they wouldn't be prohibited from entering the US in the first place.

And please don't say it should be illegal because the supreme court has already ruled on it. If laws banning gay marriage had come before SCOTUS like polygamy did in the 1800s they would have upheld those too.

The reason this question is not directed to opponents of gay marriage is because I think I already know what they all would say anyway.

We cannot assume they would not be barred from entry in the first place, because they would: Section 212a10 of the Immigration and Nationality Act specifically states, "Practicing polygamists.-Any immigrant who is coming to the United States to practice polygamy is inadmissible."

I wish those debating this made more effort to distinguish marriage as religious rite from marriage as legal contract, because the First Amendment bars any government role in the former. "Civil unions" should be the sole legally recognized marriage available to anyone (and thus everyone, via the Equal Protection Clause.) Religious rites may or may not go further at the discretion of those involved, but that cannot include government, which the Constitution bars from establishing religion.

As religion, it is none of governments business how we choose to worship (or not;) government can no more regulate marriage than communion, baptism or any religious rite. As law, "no State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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This message last edited by Joel on 22/10/2012 at 03:18:55 PM
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For all you supporters of Gay Marriage: What about polygamy? - 20/10/2012 12:02:06 AM 1418 Views
Legal rights. - 20/10/2012 12:14:10 AM 821 Views
It almost sounds like you are saying... - 20/10/2012 12:31:40 AM 795 Views
That is what I'm saying it. - 20/10/2012 01:07:50 AM 777 Views
Technically, privileges, not rights. - 20/10/2012 04:16:45 AM 780 Views
Sure - 20/10/2012 12:35:53 AM 712 Views
All for it... For adults over the age of 18. *NM* - 20/10/2012 01:18:04 AM 423 Views
What about it? - 20/10/2012 01:21:17 AM 778 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/10/2012 01:51:25 AM 449 Views
+2 *NM* - 20/10/2012 11:18:39 AM 397 Views
should be legal, would be nice for poly people. should include polygyny and polyandry. *NM* - 20/10/2012 03:29:05 AM 400 Views
poly people? - 20/10/2012 12:44:01 PM 744 Views
Government needs to stop legislating morality. So yes *NM* - 20/10/2012 03:36:37 AM 386 Views
That's a huge chunk of what government does. - 20/10/2012 04:35:45 PM 748 Views
That's not what I'm saying - 21/10/2012 03:21:08 AM 769 Views
So you're opposed to abortion and gun control then? Welcome aboard! - 21/10/2012 06:14:14 AM 721 Views
Why do you keep talking about gay marriage and polygamy in the same sentence.. - 20/10/2012 03:58:26 AM 786 Views
Get a grip. Your response is just what I tried to avoid. - 20/10/2012 04:33:40 AM 712 Views
The more fool you. - 21/10/2012 05:55:30 AM 807 Views
Ha! Point. *NM* - 20/10/2012 05:40:34 AM 586 Views
Marriage is always a choice, whatever the motive(s.) - 22/10/2012 04:00:40 PM 743 Views
I got no opinion on it. - 20/10/2012 12:51:43 PM 839 Views
The idea of a group marriage makes me uncomfortable - 20/10/2012 04:19:48 PM 715 Views
As long as it is equitable - 20/10/2012 05:55:57 PM 712 Views
The state shouldn't even recognize marriage beyond name changes anyway - 21/10/2012 03:52:40 AM 787 Views
Indeed - 21/10/2012 06:04:41 AM 846 Views
I don't give a damn what you call it. That's your business. - 21/10/2012 06:17:40 AM 1118 Views
And so? - 21/10/2012 07:05:08 AM 740 Views
Re: And so? - 21/10/2012 04:10:19 PM 923 Views
Legal contracts must be open to all consenting adults, or none. - 22/10/2012 03:11:55 PM 803 Views
You are correct, yet your reasoning is flawed. - 23/10/2012 03:20:25 PM 719 Views
Again, the Equal Protection Clause has far less force on private entities than on government. - 23/10/2012 03:52:06 PM 659 Views
Much less force, yes. - 23/10/2012 04:15:03 PM 663 Views
The crux is "If it's my business, it's my business." - 23/10/2012 04:43:25 PM 738 Views
+1 *NM* - 23/10/2012 07:36:46 PM 332 Views
No the analogy is not exact, nor legally the same... - 23/10/2012 07:33:25 PM 631 Views
Analogy is not equality, only similarity. - 24/10/2012 04:37:29 PM 835 Views
We aren't asking for something better or different. - 23/10/2012 04:27:04 PM 721 Views
yeah, it is very circular. - 23/10/2012 07:44:33 PM 758 Views

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