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Re: Interesting Jonielle Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 12:01:08 PM
It will. But a lot of the luxury people have today people don't need.

That can be stretched to a lot of things. For example, people don't need to have hot showers at night. The main group of people I'm worried about when we talk about reducing hours is the people who are struggling to make ends meet. The last thing we need is to force them onto the welfare queue.


And that is why there need to be minimum wage laws, at amounts people can live on.

I agree. However the case of children committing crimes is often a response to the parents not involving themselves enough in the children's life.

That could go back to parents not being allowed to discipline their children anymore. There are cases (rare, I know) of children being taken away from their parents and put into foster homes by the government because the children alleged the parents spanked them once. So the parents have to tread a very fine line.


Very few here goes to foster homes too. I don't have any numbers. When children go to foster homes it is most often because the parents neglect their children, not for spank them.

When I went to school we got grades in 8th grade, now they want to start grading children from second grade(8-9 years old). And grading is not constructive without motivation and telling the student how to improve themselves.

That's true, but I really can't see the point of comparing children from such a young age. Last few years of primary school yes, but not when kids are 8 or 9.


I agree. And that is what I am against.

Here the percentage is much less, and virtually no money comes from the parents.

How do private schools work in Sweden?


As I understand every school, public or private gets money from the state based on the number of students. Some companies run private schools to earn money.

I'm not sure what else to say, I don't have enough experience of private schools since they are still quite few.

I was thinking about religion mostly, forcing children to believe in a God of the choice of the school. Since that is mostly the cases here reported by media in Sweden.

Parents would send their children to religious schools only if they were themselves believers in that religion (e.g. Muslim parents won't send their son to an Catholic School). So I don't think teaching children about God is a real issue, as they will probably have already learn about Him at home anyway through the influence of the parents.

That's the case here too and I think that is good.

Yeah, before that is way too soon.

Tolerance is not the same thing as accepting. You may believe it is a sin to be black, but you shouldn't scream after them at the street or throw things at them or not hire them because of it.

True. Children actually seem to be a lot more accepting than their elders in this sense.


I agree.

Drinking age, driving age, and voting age I was thinking about mostly. Age of consent I can't really say much about. If two consenting people near the same age have sex I'm fine with it, it's hard to say A 16 year old can't have sex with a 15 year old because the law says the age of consent is 16 or equivalent for other ages. The law here has to be flexible which it is here in Sweden already, one reason I didn't mention it. I think age of consent here is 15 but I am not sure.

Age of consent is always a tricky one.

Some people may not know enough about politics to vote at 18, true. However, I know several 16 and 17 year olds who are more politically active and know a lot more about politics than some 25-30 year olds. I don't think age is really an obstacle to voting after you hit 16, it's a question of whether you really give a damn about politics. That's one of the arguments for voluntary voting I suppose.


Voting should be voluntary, I agree with that. And I'm glad it is voluntary here.

Here you can get a learning permit at 16, you can then only drive with someone who has had a license for at least 5 years. And if you are not going to a driving school. You and the person who is teaching you must take a course. I'm not sure exactly for how long an hour a day for 2 weeks or something, they didn't have this when I was that age.

Then you have to have one lesson where you practically drive on ice, or you use a machine thingy to make things slippery, I don't remember what it's called in English. Then you have to do a written exam about traffic rules etc. After that a driving test. Then you have your license.

However your license have a test period of 2 years, if you get a ticket or anything you lose the license.

It sounds a bit easier than in Australia, but still challenging enough. What's the road toll like in Sweden?


Well, from a quick googleing I found 400 to 500 deaths a year. (Sweden has a bit above 9 million inhabitants)

Here we are still going on about how to stop copyrighted material, censorship would be very hard, we had somewhat of an "international crises" when someone wrote something about Israel and the government couldn't officially condemn it. Because it broke no laws in Sweden and for the government to condemn it would be breaking our copyright laws, which is one of our oldest and hardest to change laws.

It's always hard for a single country to legislate on the internet, especially when it comes to copyrighted material. Censorship is the easiest way out, and then the question of civil liberties comes into the frame, which is another kettle of fish altogether.


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