Your husband/boyfriend is in the navy. You find out that he is going to be working with a sizable portion of women. Women that are around his age, probably have more common interests than you do with him, and are varying degrees of attractive. I am not sure how long the cruises are. Probably awhile. I don't suppose you would be anymore worried than you would be if your boyfriend/husband were going on an extended business trip with a female colleague?
Honest question - Would you be a little worried?
That was in response to your statement that if they weren't professional enough to control themselves that they shouldn't be on a submarine. People are human. There is going to be temptation. Do you know people that are good, moral people that maybe spent a little too much time with someone that they worked with and fell for them? I think it could happen to just about anyone given the right circumstances and temptation.
As for myself, that was not the first worry I had. It wasn't even my second concern. My first thought was that if they do it, it needed to be a small percentage of women and that they shouldn't be forced to be together too much because...and this is not PC...women tend to be petty, backstabbing bitches when they work together. (They can also be funny, loving and supportive. There are good times too. I love the drama free times. I just wish there were more.) Having a large portion of men tends to add vital leaven. That might be workable. I am sure that out there somewhere there are women that would get along just fine. I just haven't seen in happen on a large scale. It always seems to go better with at least a 50-50 mix of men and better yet when there is a higher percentage of men. It seems that everyone behaves better.
Flame me all you like. I would be happy to hear that I am wrong and that my experience has been narrow.
Tash
Honest question - Would you be a little worried?
That was in response to your statement that if they weren't professional enough to control themselves that they shouldn't be on a submarine. People are human. There is going to be temptation. Do you know people that are good, moral people that maybe spent a little too much time with someone that they worked with and fell for them? I think it could happen to just about anyone given the right circumstances and temptation.
As for myself, that was not the first worry I had. It wasn't even my second concern. My first thought was that if they do it, it needed to be a small percentage of women and that they shouldn't be forced to be together too much because...and this is not PC...women tend to be petty, backstabbing bitches when they work together. (They can also be funny, loving and supportive. There are good times too. I love the drama free times. I just wish there were more.) Having a large portion of men tends to add vital leaven. That might be workable. I am sure that out there somewhere there are women that would get along just fine. I just haven't seen in happen on a large scale. It always seems to go better with at least a 50-50 mix of men and better yet when there is a higher percentage of men. It seems that everyone behaves better.
Flame me all you like. I would be happy to hear that I am wrong and that my experience has been narrow.
Tash
"Military may lift ban on women in submarines" (Reuters)
28/09/2009 08:26:30 PM
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gives new meaning to the old joke....
28/09/2009 09:47:36 PM
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my favorite joke from Navy basic training (mature readers only, poorly veiled sexual reference)
28/09/2009 10:06:51 PM
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As I understand it, there are very good reasons why they don't let women on submarines.
28/09/2009 09:50:39 PM
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frankly i get along better with women who are menstruating with me.
28/09/2009 11:26:05 PM
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seems like a strange choice to me
28/09/2009 10:26:24 PM
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if you can't keep it zipped
28/09/2009 11:35:35 PM
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Correct and yet it happens all too frequently already.
29/09/2009 12:43:15 AM
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In my mind, that's a pretty pathetic arguement.
29/09/2009 01:02:31 AM
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WHOA!
29/09/2009 01:14:27 AM
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Dude I know!!
29/09/2009 01:20:27 AM
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Hehehe, we could "name the show".
29/09/2009 01:26:11 AM
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XD Or even better!!!
29/09/2009 01:40:50 AM
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ROFL!
29/09/2009 01:47:07 AM
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Your comparison to segregation is idiotic. I won't even give such a stupid claim a second thought. *NM*
29/09/2009 01:44:46 AM
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I love how you disregard my entire arguement based on that one factor
29/09/2009 01:48:09 AM
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It is an irresponsible comparison. Even in your response to my comment you can't make it work. *NM*
29/09/2009 06:39:48 PM
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Actually I could see her point. She was thinking along a different line than you thought she was. *NM*
29/09/2009 02:57:17 AM
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It's not idiotic at all.
29/09/2009 05:21:49 AM
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Sweden has women on subs, as do (at least) Norway, Germany, Australia and Canada *NM*
29/09/2009 07:38:43 AM
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Just wondering..
29/09/2009 12:42:22 PM
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well since all of those countries use diesel/electric subs I would no they don't stay out as long
29/09/2009 03:10:34 PM
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There's also the fact that none of those countries have nuclear weapons
29/09/2009 03:14:48 PM
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Racial prejudice has nothing to do with envy over who is fucking who. It is not a valid comparison. *NM*
29/09/2009 06:40:57 PM
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~Plays devils advocate~ Lets pretend...
29/09/2009 02:54:03 AM
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By that same token, should women also be banned from long business trips? *NM*
29/09/2009 03:23:22 AM
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Re: ~Plays devils advocate~ Lets pretend...
29/09/2009 03:23:31 AM
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It might be true in some situations, but it's a weak argument against this issue.
29/09/2009 05:15:47 AM
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subs are really really cramped. Ever heard the phrase hot racking?
29/09/2009 03:23:33 PM
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"The military is instrument of war not social engineering." Excelent point. *NM*
30/09/2009 12:34:28 AM
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oh please will people stop the “it worked with segregation argument”
29/09/2009 03:01:48 PM
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A submariner's perspective
29/09/2009 08:30:45 AM
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That was not Beqi but Grimbear. I was signed in but it still credited the post to her. GRRR! *NM*
29/09/2009 08:32:21 AM
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Interesting.
29/09/2009 09:55:11 AM
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a rack is just the name for a bed
29/09/2009 03:30:05 PM
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See, that's a good reason.
29/09/2009 01:29:32 PM
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before you knock the return to high school argument
29/09/2009 10:39:47 PM
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which i think is just silly in the terms of greater age-related legalities
30/09/2009 12:08:46 AM
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Re: which i think is just silly in the terms of greater age-related legalities
30/09/2009 01:12:05 AM
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