She hates revenue sharing, salary caps & the draft, too, but the Pack would be screwed without each.
Joel Send a noteboard - 26/09/2012 03:34:00 AM
I am reminded of that piece Bill Maher did a few years ago about how the NFL works because of Marxism (revenue sharing.)
While I deeply sympathize with the regular refs, who are only striking to preserve defined benefit pensions to which the NFL long ago agreed, I think it would be perversely ironic if those pensions survived only because this call (which the regular refs would almost certainly have made, too) convinced the NFL to deal.
The author of Salons piece DOES have a valid (if somewhat irrelevant) point though: In the Ayn Rand Football League, the Green Bay Packers would have gone the way of the Canton Bulldogs and Massillon Tigers. Without the draft, small-market teams like Green Bay (VERY small-market in the '30s and '40s) could never compete with Chicago, New York of Philly for star players. If you had a CHOICE between playing in a "city" where you had to walk five miles to get a newspaper with coverage of your performance, or a media Mecca that broadcast your prowess to the nation and offered all the luxuries to which you felt entitled, which would you pick?
What if your choice were dictated solely by salary, and the Bears, Giants and Eagles had ticket sales from the countrys three largest cities? In 1940 Green Bay could not have filled venues like the Rose Bowl if the whole town of 102,000 came. Thanks to revenue sharing, however, GB has as much with which to pay players as every other team does. Since the salary cap (which Rand would also have loathed,) owners cannot even supplement that with their own wealth: Each team has $x (currently ~$120 million) to split among 48 players (plus 5 practice squad players.) Anyone who cannot be paid must be released to the highest bidder (if any,) and even if no one takes them they STILL cannot return to the old team unless it can pay them NFL minimum wage (which increases with experience) without exceeding the cap.
It goes without saying how Rand would feel about Green Bays status as the only publicly owned NFL team. It ensures the Packers fans will never know the agony Oilers fans like me (or Colts fans, Rams fans (twice,) Cardinals fans, Browns fans and Raiders fans) felt when our teams owner followed through on threats to leave town unless the city met their demands (usually for new stadiums.) Cleveland residents and Rams fans (which were at one point synonymous) have been especially victimized; the Rams moved to L.A. in the '40s, then St. Louis in the '90s (after the Cardinals moved from there to Arizona, having previously moved TO there from Chicago.) They also saw coach Paul Brown, who led the team from its founding to 7 championships, begin the rival Cincinnati Bengals after owner Art Modell fired him, then a generation later saw Modell move the whole team to Baltimore (who had lost the Colts to Indianapolis in the '80s.) The Rams final move gave all NFL owners lasting leverage in negotiations with host cities, because L.A. has been without a team ever since, and threats to move teams to the nations second largest city are a powerful motivator for current host cities.
Green Bay, of course, need never worry about any of that, because the host city IS the owner, and since getting season tickets requires putting ones name on a list and waiting for hundreds of people to DIE they are assured a large homefield crowd. It is still rank socialism by any measure.
The Green Bay Packers are anathema to everything Ayn Rand believed, but then, so is Thomas Aquinas. Paul Ryan is an... odd fellow....
While I deeply sympathize with the regular refs, who are only striking to preserve defined benefit pensions to which the NFL long ago agreed, I think it would be perversely ironic if those pensions survived only because this call (which the regular refs would almost certainly have made, too) convinced the NFL to deal.
The author of Salons piece DOES have a valid (if somewhat irrelevant) point though: In the Ayn Rand Football League, the Green Bay Packers would have gone the way of the Canton Bulldogs and Massillon Tigers. Without the draft, small-market teams like Green Bay (VERY small-market in the '30s and '40s) could never compete with Chicago, New York of Philly for star players. If you had a CHOICE between playing in a "city" where you had to walk five miles to get a newspaper with coverage of your performance, or a media Mecca that broadcast your prowess to the nation and offered all the luxuries to which you felt entitled, which would you pick?
What if your choice were dictated solely by salary, and the Bears, Giants and Eagles had ticket sales from the countrys three largest cities? In 1940 Green Bay could not have filled venues like the Rose Bowl if the whole town of 102,000 came. Thanks to revenue sharing, however, GB has as much with which to pay players as every other team does. Since the salary cap (which Rand would also have loathed,) owners cannot even supplement that with their own wealth: Each team has $x (currently ~$120 million) to split among 48 players (plus 5 practice squad players.) Anyone who cannot be paid must be released to the highest bidder (if any,) and even if no one takes them they STILL cannot return to the old team unless it can pay them NFL minimum wage (which increases with experience) without exceeding the cap.
It goes without saying how Rand would feel about Green Bays status as the only publicly owned NFL team. It ensures the Packers fans will never know the agony Oilers fans like me (or Colts fans, Rams fans (twice,) Cardinals fans, Browns fans and Raiders fans) felt when our teams owner followed through on threats to leave town unless the city met their demands (usually for new stadiums.) Cleveland residents and Rams fans (which were at one point synonymous) have been especially victimized; the Rams moved to L.A. in the '40s, then St. Louis in the '90s (after the Cardinals moved from there to Arizona, having previously moved TO there from Chicago.) They also saw coach Paul Brown, who led the team from its founding to 7 championships, begin the rival Cincinnati Bengals after owner Art Modell fired him, then a generation later saw Modell move the whole team to Baltimore (who had lost the Colts to Indianapolis in the '80s.) The Rams final move gave all NFL owners lasting leverage in negotiations with host cities, because L.A. has been without a team ever since, and threats to move teams to the nations second largest city are a powerful motivator for current host cities.
Green Bay, of course, need never worry about any of that, because the host city IS the owner, and since getting season tickets requires putting ones name on a list and waiting for hundreds of people to DIE they are assured a large homefield crowd. It is still rank socialism by any measure.
The Green Bay Packers are anathema to everything Ayn Rand believed, but then, so is Thomas Aquinas. Paul Ryan is an... odd fellow....
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This message last edited by Joel on 26/09/2012 at 04:02:45 AM
/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM*
25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM
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Link? Clip?
25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM
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Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM*
25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM
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Here's a link.
25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM
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Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post.
25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM
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youtube link
25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM
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Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD.
25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM
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pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened
25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM
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I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver.
26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM
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watch a better replay if you can
26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM
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Have now; still not convinced.
26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM
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also, the pass interference on tate that wasn't called is clear at 0:56 in that clip
25/09/2012 11:27:36 AM
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Tate was looking for the ball, and raised his hands to catch it, not push off Sam Shields.
26/09/2012 01:33:46 AM
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watch a better replay and get back to me on this one.
26/09/2012 02:36:43 AM
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Where did the NFL head office acknowledge that?
26/09/2012 03:52:36 AM
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in their official response to the whole incident....?
26/09/2012 04:14:52 AM
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Fair enough then; the NFLs official position is that offensive PI should have been called.
26/09/2012 04:45:58 AM
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Yeah, if one hand counts as possession
25/09/2012 05:15:37 PM
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Left hand between Jennings' arms and on the ball; right was outside Jennings' arm and on the ball.
26/09/2012 01:38:28 AM
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How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM*
25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM
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No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited.
26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM
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While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees...
25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM
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Now I really want to see this play.
25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM
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Re: Now I really want to see this play.
25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM
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I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball.
26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM
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You might appreciate learning that the Lingerie Football League fired some of these refs
25/09/2012 07:19:37 AM
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Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year
25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM
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you probably think greedo shot first too.....
25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM
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Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then
25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM
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he had nothing until they landed and he tried to pull it away. everyone but you agrees on this *NM*
25/09/2012 03:25:43 PM
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Not so; Cannoli and I agree on pretty much every point involved in this play.
26/09/2012 02:17:01 AM
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They can't reverse that call.
25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM
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the only possible way was to rule it incomplete
25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM
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It was very obviously caught; you can't rule that incomplete.
25/09/2012 11:06:17 PM
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my philosophy is "interception = incomplete" but i think that's only for stats purposes
26/09/2012 12:32:43 AM
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Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM*
25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM
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I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM*
25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM
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Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM*
25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM
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I have seen enough of it, and while I did not write Cannolis response, I easily could have.
26/09/2012 02:06:45 AM
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Slightly (very) loopy yet entertaining piece on why Ayn Rand is to blame for all of this.
25/09/2012 05:38:12 PM
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She hates revenue sharing, salary caps & the draft, too, but the Pack would be screwed without each.
26/09/2012 03:34:00 AM
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Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see
25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM
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Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times.
26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM
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you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it?
26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM
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I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip.
26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM
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you sure you saw the right replay?
26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM
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Think so, yeah.
26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM
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from another angle -- pun intended
26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM
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There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip?
27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM
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your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug*
27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM
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Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily.
27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM
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did you even read that article???
28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM
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"his control wasn’t established again...."
28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM
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wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong
28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM
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Worst calls are made all the time by the regular officials.
26/09/2012 01:23:57 AM
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yes, but not usually more than one per game, certainly not several in a single weekend.... *NM*
26/09/2012 02:39:56 AM
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