The issue of evidence for Gnosticism would make this thread unnecessarily long.
Tom Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 07:28:22 PM
There is plenty of evidence out there, in the canon itself, in other sources, in external evidence, that makes it more than a conspiracy theory. I am trying to get a massive number of things done today and don't have the time, and this thread is not the place, but I can recommend some books if you like.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
So, about this silly "Jesus' wife" story making the rounds...
- 19/09/2012 10:55:55 PM
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That's right! Jesus' position on marriage was "One man, no woman." *NM*
- 19/09/2012 11:05:55 PM
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What is the context? The canonical bible says Christ has a wife: The Church.
- 19/09/2012 11:25:19 PM
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Oh please...don't confuse "wife" with "bride"
- 19/09/2012 11:35:09 PM
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What word do the Prophets use for Israels relationship to God?
- 20/09/2012 12:38:20 AM
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BRIDE
- 20/09/2012 03:39:30 PM
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I love your last two sentences. They're a really nice description. 
*NM*
- 20/09/2012 07:58:19 PM
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*NM*
- 20/09/2012 07:58:19 PM
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That makes sense for an eternal God, but sounds like a wife who remains a bride.
- 20/09/2012 08:56:07 PM
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It's "bride" in the Old Testament as well.
- 20/09/2012 09:48:37 PM
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The distinction is important for preserving the newlywed condition, but not for this fragment.
- 20/09/2012 11:21:52 PM
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Two things why it is important
- 20/09/2012 04:24:37 AM
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Did someone hit you over the head? "Two things why it is important"? Really?
- 20/09/2012 03:50:02 PM
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Something I forgot to ask you about last night: What is your take on Daniels messianic prophecy?
- 20/09/2012 09:21:32 PM
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I don't get that at all. "And will be no more", or "And will have nothing" is better.
- 20/09/2012 10:13:20 PM
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It is the King James text, which I have never heard anyone call heretical.
- 20/09/2012 11:15:54 PM
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The King James Bible is aesthetically pleasing but a bad translation.
- 21/09/2012 12:03:00 AM
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I like the NKJV because it tries to include all ambiguities.
- 21/09/2012 12:47:38 AM
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There is a very good reason no one dismissed the illegitmate gospels as illegitimate until 180 AD:
- 20/09/2012 09:15:05 PM
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The Gospel of Thomas was written before 180 AD.
- 20/09/2012 09:33:44 PM
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What is the oldest extant text of or reference to it?
- 20/09/2012 11:11:03 PM
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The Oxyrhynchus fragments were dated to c. 200 AD, and they are copies
- 21/09/2012 12:18:33 AM
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I would buy 200 AD, of course.
- 21/09/2012 12:58:32 AM
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It's not about "buying" it - it's essentially proven at that point.
- 21/09/2012 03:26:50 AM
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Yes; all I meant was that I never disputed a date around 200 AD.
- 22/09/2012 12:25:41 AM
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I don't think any of the gospels were written by their purported authors.
- 22/09/2012 03:36:32 AM
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Not even Mark or Luke?
- 22/09/2012 01:21:24 PM
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Well, but everyone knew Peter didn't speak Greek
- 22/09/2012 09:46:57 PM
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True, but everyone also knew Paul spoke it fluently, and he would have been an ideal choice.
- 24/09/2012 06:20:22 AM
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Some people did "lie big".
- 24/09/2012 02:11:58 PM
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I forgot about (or possibly repressed memories of) the Gnostics "Gospel" of Peter.
- 24/09/2012 11:26:43 PM
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I'm not trying to defend Gnosticism doctrinally, but...
- 24/09/2012 11:51:40 PM
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I am not relying SOLELY (or chiefly) on popularity though.
- 25/09/2012 02:21:01 AM
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The Gnostic response would be:
- 25/09/2012 06:01:58 AM
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That just sounds like more conspiracy allegations based on desire rather than evidence.
- 25/09/2012 07:15:06 AM
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The issue of evidence for Gnosticism would make this thread unnecessarily long.
- 25/09/2012 07:28:22 PM
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What about those who postulate a mid-to-late 1st century composition?
- 22/09/2012 02:21:18 AM
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Elaine Pagels ceased to be an impartial academic a long time ago.
- 22/09/2012 03:41:41 AM
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Suspected as much, but wanted to see if you thought so as well
- 22/09/2012 03:47:05 AM
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Let's not get started on Funk
- 22/09/2012 09:48:05 PM
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don't these people have anything better to do?
- 20/09/2012 11:39:35 PM
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Clearly not.
- 22/09/2012 12:27:29 AM
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