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While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... Mats Gambling Buddy Send a noteboard - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM
that was pretty bad. Being an NFL ref is tough and given that these guys has not had much time to learn nor experienced refs to train them, they are doing as well as can be expected. They mess up, sure but so does everyone training in a new job. The players who whine about "their job is to get calls right" need to be told that their job is to not drop passes or not fumble the ball.

However, here is a new rule for general life based on the call from the end of tonight's game: If you are holding your baby and I walk up and grab your baby, I own your baby.
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/NFL: now that replacement refs have cost the packers a win, can we please get the real ones back? *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 05:14:58 AM 658 Views
I was gonna keep it to one thread, but hell, I'll join yours. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:24:26 AM 681 Views
Link? Clip? Joel - 25/09/2012 05:27:07 AM 648 Views
Let's just say that Gruden used the word "Jobbed" in the live telecast. *NM* Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:35:08 AM 411 Views
Here's a link. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:36:56 AM 734 Views
Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Joel - 25/09/2012 05:47:07 AM 544 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:52:55 AM 785 Views
Re: Yes and no; that is the link I referenced in my post. Joel - 25/09/2012 06:13:46 AM 736 Views
youtube link Orange - 25/09/2012 07:00:29 AM 741 Views
Thanks; that looks like a textbook case of simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver: TD. Joel - 25/09/2012 07:29:28 AM 637 Views
pete carroll is a cheating douchebag, you cannot take his word for what happened moondog - 25/09/2012 10:59:33 AM 900 Views
I did not; I watched the clip: Simultaneous possession, which goes to the receiver. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:30:18 AM 1244 Views
watch a better replay if you can moondog - 26/09/2012 02:38:17 AM 704 Views
Have now; still not convinced. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:01:23 AM 742 Views
that's ok. you're still wrong moondog - 26/09/2012 04:12:56 AM 752 Views
I know you are but what am I? *MN* Joel - 26/09/2012 04:48:47 AM 704 Views
also, the pass interference on tate that wasn't called is clear at 0:56 in that clip moondog - 25/09/2012 11:27:36 AM 707 Views
Tate was looking for the ball, and raised his hands to catch it, not push off Sam Shields. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:33:46 AM 653 Views
watch a better replay and get back to me on this one. moondog - 26/09/2012 02:36:43 AM 700 Views
Where did the NFL head office acknowledge that? Joel - 26/09/2012 03:52:36 AM 812 Views
in their official response to the whole incident....? moondog - 26/09/2012 04:14:52 AM 936 Views
Fair enough then; the NFLs official position is that offensive PI should have been called. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:45:58 AM 702 Views
Yeah, if one hand counts as possession Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:15:37 PM 725 Views
new rule: catch the guy who caught the ball -- score a TD *NM* moondog - 26/09/2012 12:10:05 AM 372 Views
Left hand between Jennings' arms and on the ball; right was outside Jennings' arm and on the ball. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:38:28 AM 661 Views
How have you not seen this play? Are you in a cave? *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 03:57:55 PM 349 Views
No, I am in Norway, where NFL coverage is rather limited. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:40:07 AM 844 Views
Wait, you're not in Houston? *NM* Dark Knight - 26/09/2012 01:42:45 AM 366 Views
Not since the Texas Sesquicentennial, no. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:45:29 AM 617 Views
While you can hardly blame the replacement refs because they are basically trainees... Mats Gambling Buddy - 25/09/2012 06:05:22 AM 819 Views
Now I really want to see this play. Joel - 25/09/2012 06:27:42 AM 814 Views
Re: Now I really want to see this play. Mats Gambling Buddy - 25/09/2012 02:48:56 PM 725 Views
I have still only seen the YouTube clip, but it looked like they both had both hands on the ball. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:58:27 AM 655 Views
There are good views on nfl.com. Will link. callandor1000 - 26/09/2012 02:16:51 AM 825 Views
Thanks; I still do not see much to change my mind. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:32:43 AM 720 Views
The last call was a joke. Orange - 25/09/2012 06:52:59 AM 667 Views
You might appreciate learning that the Lingerie Football League fired some of these refs Larry - 25/09/2012 07:19:37 AM 731 Views
Tie goes to the receiver - the rule for decades. The Packers benefitted from worse calls last year Cannoli - 25/09/2012 11:31:47 AM 754 Views
you probably think greedo shot first too..... moondog - 25/09/2012 01:49:03 PM 706 Views
Possession doesn't mean squat until you land. Tate had it by then Cannoli - 25/09/2012 03:13:29 PM 705 Views
he had nothing until they landed and he tried to pull it away. everyone but you agrees on this *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 03:25:43 PM 343 Views
Not so; Cannoli and I agree on pretty much every point involved in this play. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:17:01 AM 679 Views
They can't reverse that call. Aemon - 25/09/2012 04:43:28 PM 789 Views
the only possible way was to rule it incomplete moondog - 25/09/2012 10:42:25 PM 766 Views
It was very obviously caught; you can't rule that incomplete. Aemon - 25/09/2012 11:06:17 PM 687 Views
my philosophy is "interception = incomplete" but i think that's only for stats purposes moondog - 26/09/2012 12:32:43 AM 641 Views
Congrats Cannoli, you are the only person (thing?) in the country who thinks it's a TD *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 03:53:18 PM 473 Views
I'm not even the only person in this thread, moron. *NM* Cannoli - 25/09/2012 04:07:48 PM 386 Views
Joel hasn't even seen the play, douchebag *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 04:12:35 PM 351 Views
Just so you can get this information without namecalling ... Nate - 25/09/2012 04:18:41 PM 679 Views
No I mean he hasn't seen the replay over and over on ESPN *NM* Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 04:21:46 PM 356 Views
I have seen enough of it, and while I did not write Cannolis response, I easily could have. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:06:45 AM 698 Views
Interesting. What is the rule with arguing refs? Dannymac - 25/09/2012 05:18:35 PM 618 Views
That response was disturbingly like my thoughts on the play. Joel - 26/09/2012 01:49:37 AM 708 Views
As a Seahawks fan. Stephen - 25/09/2012 02:10:58 PM 664 Views
No. Not with that attitude. *NM* Palatine - 25/09/2012 04:03:32 PM 330 Views
*throws public tantrum* *NM* moondog - 25/09/2012 10:39:22 PM 320 Views
Slightly (very) loopy yet entertaining piece on why Ayn Rand is to blame for all of this. Stephen - 25/09/2012 05:38:12 PM 629 Views
She hates revenue sharing, salary caps & the draft, too, but the Pack would be screwed without each. Joel - 26/09/2012 03:34:00 AM 650 Views
Here's the proof Cannoli is refusing to see Dark Knight - 25/09/2012 05:54:07 PM 762 Views
Clearer shot, but stills do not allow us to see where Tates hands were at all times. Joel - 26/09/2012 02:10:25 AM 565 Views
you can't claim "good ol' strip" *AND* simultaneous catch -- which is it? moondog - 26/09/2012 02:35:41 AM 1000 Views
I do not claim both: I claim simultaneous catch but IF not, then strip. Joel - 26/09/2012 03:51:47 AM 987 Views
you sure you saw the right replay? moondog - 26/09/2012 04:21:57 AM 684 Views
Think so, yeah. Joel - 26/09/2012 04:58:15 AM 804 Views
from another angle -- pun intended moondog - 26/09/2012 04:01:54 PM 671 Views
There are two separate issues: 1) Was it a simultaneous catch; 2) IF not, was it a strip? Joel - 27/09/2012 08:54:52 AM 856 Views
your opinion is against pretty much everyone in the world, so..... *shrug* moondog - 27/09/2012 03:55:33 PM 888 Views
Thanks; I did not expect you to give in so easily. Joel - 27/09/2012 10:14:30 PM 714 Views
did you even read that article??? moondog - 28/09/2012 12:35:39 AM 725 Views
"his control wasn’t established again...." Joel - 28/09/2012 01:08:03 AM 1000 Views
wow, what a thorough analysis you sent me either way, you're still wrong moondog - 28/09/2012 02:05:24 AM 791 Views
That is not an argument. Joel - 28/09/2012 02:26:58 AM 611 Views
Worst calls are made all the time by the regular officials. callandor1000 - 26/09/2012 01:23:57 AM 661 Views
yes, but not usually more than one per game, certainly not several in a single weekend.... *NM* moondog - 26/09/2012 02:39:56 AM 357 Views
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