Active Users:1225 Time:22/11/2024 03:47:13 PM
So, about this silly "Jesus' wife" story making the rounds... Tom Send a noteboard - 19/09/2012 10:55:55 PM
I'm not sure how many people have seen this, but apparently election-related stories, the Syrian civil war, imbeciles protesting a moronic Mohammed film and terrorists killing our ambassador to Libya are not enough news. A tiny scrap of papyrus was found in Egypt that purports to say that Jesus said "my wife" at one point in the document.

Why is this news?

First, of course, Gnostic groups (which flourished in Egypt in the Second and Third Centuries AD) loved the whole motif of the married Jesus, something that Dan Brown cannibalized and reconstructed in his own sad and idiomatic way. It's not like it's a huge revelation.

Second, however, the text itself seems suspect. When I looked at the text, two things stuck out: (1) the part that they say says "my" (in Coptic, "ta") looks darker than the surrounding text, which could imply a forgery of that particular word, and (2) the text prior to that is very hard to read, and the word for "wife" is also simply the word for "woman" as well (as in many ancient languages), so it might not be "peje IC nau tahime" (literally, "said JS to-them my-wife") but instead "peje IC xxxxx hime" (or "said JS xxxxx woman"). The name of Jesus is abbreviated as a capital iota and sigma with a line above it, but I couldn't reproduce that very easily online.

Essentially, the whole thing is stupid.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

*MySmiley*
Reply to message
So, about this silly "Jesus' wife" story making the rounds... - 19/09/2012 10:55:55 PM 1227 Views
That's right! Jesus' position on marriage was "One man, no woman." *NM* - 19/09/2012 11:05:55 PM 552 Views
What is the context? The canonical bible says Christ has a wife: The Church. - 19/09/2012 11:25:19 PM 857 Views
Oh please...don't confuse "wife" with "bride" - 19/09/2012 11:35:09 PM 825 Views
What word do the Prophets use for Israels relationship to God? - 20/09/2012 12:38:20 AM 820 Views
BRIDE - 20/09/2012 03:39:30 PM 796 Views
Two things why it is important - 20/09/2012 04:24:37 AM 796 Views
There is a very good reason no one dismissed the illegitmate gospels as illegitimate until 180 AD: - 20/09/2012 09:15:05 PM 738 Views
The Gospel of Thomas was written before 180 AD. - 20/09/2012 09:33:44 PM 747 Views
What is the oldest extant text of or reference to it? - 20/09/2012 11:11:03 PM 819 Views
The Oxyrhynchus fragments were dated to c. 200 AD, and they are copies - 21/09/2012 12:18:33 AM 727 Views
I would buy 200 AD, of course. - 21/09/2012 12:58:32 AM 798 Views
It's not about "buying" it - it's essentially proven at that point. - 21/09/2012 03:26:50 AM 767 Views
Yes; all I meant was that I never disputed a date around 200 AD. - 22/09/2012 12:25:41 AM 777 Views
I don't think any of the gospels were written by their purported authors. - 22/09/2012 03:36:32 AM 708 Views
Not even Mark or Luke? - 22/09/2012 01:21:24 PM 735 Views
Well, but everyone knew Peter didn't speak Greek - 22/09/2012 09:46:57 PM 686 Views
What about those who postulate a mid-to-late 1st century composition? - 22/09/2012 02:21:18 AM 820 Views
Elaine Pagels ceased to be an impartial academic a long time ago. - 22/09/2012 03:41:41 AM 766 Views
Suspected as much, but wanted to see if you thought so as well - 22/09/2012 03:47:05 AM 908 Views
Let's not get started on Funk - 22/09/2012 09:48:05 PM 705 Views
So true - 22/09/2012 10:23:08 PM 818 Views
don't these people have anything better to do? - 20/09/2012 11:39:35 PM 743 Views
Clearly not. - 22/09/2012 12:27:29 AM 656 Views
then i'll escape this thread before anyone twigs - 22/09/2012 08:12:37 PM 819 Views
Too late, I have already twigged, branched and treed. - 22/09/2012 08:58:39 PM 801 Views
I know! - 21/09/2012 06:48:33 AM 926 Views
See, Tom, you made a mistake. - 22/09/2012 10:25:22 AM 780 Views

Reply to Message