I am aware of no corroborating scientific research, no
Joel Send a noteboard - 14/09/2012 03:53:42 PM
GMOs just upped the ante because the long term effects are almost impossible to know now, and because they prevent farmers replanting seed, sterilize the next generation of neighboring related plants, crowd out the other plants through natural selection, and kill harmless or even beneficial neighboring organisms through biologically produced pest/herbicides.
I have an interest in the field and I haven't come across anything close to substantial evidence that they actually happen outside lab conditions (and in a couple of the scenarios you mentioned not even that). I'd be interested if you could point me in the direction of the journal articles where they show it happens, I'm amazed I haven't come across them myself.
The first case depends on the sterilization method: If plants produce no pollen, that is one thing, but sterile GMO pollen will prevent reproduction in neighboring non-GMO plants it "fertilizes." Proving that requires no experimentation beyond Mendels existing ones.
Likewise, if GMOs are hardier than non-GMOs, natural selection makes their dominance inevitable, as environmental conditions result in fewer and fewer non-GMOs each generation, and more and more GMOs gobbling up the resources on which both varieties depend. In agriculture, that is not even limited to GMOs that are not designed to be sterile, because more and more farmers will turn to the more robust GMOs rather than traditional non-GMOs.
Finally, herbicides kill plants (a case of doing exactly what is on the tin,) so GMOs that produce herbicides are as much a threat to other crops as they are to weeds.
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I'd be interested in knowing what you guys think about organic food
11/09/2012 08:01:41 PM
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I think it makes sense in some cases but mostly it makes you feel like you are doing something
11/09/2012 08:25:54 PM
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Re: I'd be interested in knowing what you guys think about organic food
11/09/2012 08:55:17 PM
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Re: I'd be interested in knowing what you guys think about organic food
11/09/2012 09:20:49 PM
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i suggest watching henry rollins' film h is for hunger. and then looking up research on gmo crops'
12/09/2012 12:57:48 AM
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I think organic food is a luxury that few will want as food prices increase in the coming decades.
11/09/2012 10:11:33 PM
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11/09/2012 10:35:08 PM
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12/09/2012 02:38:24 AM
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If you are also interested in more views, todays New York Times is discussing it, also.
12/09/2012 02:45:22 AM
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organic has always been more about the process than the extra nutrition
12/09/2012 04:02:53 PM
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Re: organic has always been more about the process than the extra nutrition
12/09/2012 04:43:02 PM
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I think the organic movement is mostly a big scam: an excuse to charge more money for less food.
12/09/2012 11:40:40 PM
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Actually, I believe the "no pesticides" part predates the "no GMOs" part.
13/09/2012 05:26:53 AM
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You're right...
13/09/2012 08:43:52 AM
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Thanks for confirming my general impression as right on the money.
14/09/2012 03:35:56 PM
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Re: Thanks for confirming my general impression as right on the money.
16/09/2012 07:45:25 PM
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That is a very interesting overview, thanks.
17/09/2012 11:22:38 PM
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Curious as to where you read these things
13/09/2012 08:41:43 PM
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I am aware of no corroborating scientific research, no
14/09/2012 03:53:42 PM
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I have some serious problems with that I'm afraid.
14/09/2012 05:53:39 PM
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Fair enough; I have some serious fears with GMOs.
15/09/2012 03:58:13 AM
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13/09/2012 11:05:37 AM
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