If there is no chance to order them out, or they respond threateningly to the order, sure.
Joel Send a noteboard - 09/09/2012 02:18:02 AM
I suppose I'd manage to feel much more sorry for her if she just shot him in self defense, didn't cut his fucking head off and would stop rambling about honor. Makes me sick.
Meh, like I said, he was already dead (and she claims she only fired the fatal shot when she saw him reaching for his own gun) so decapitation was no more than desecrating a corpse. I would think/hope that covered by a Turkish analogue to "heat of passion" or "temporary insanity if he had really been raping her for months.
Legally speaking, of course. Maybe it's just me but I find the cutting off of heads that seems to happen a lot more in the middle east to be by far the most sickening and disgusting way of killing someone / desecrating a corpse. Makes me shudder, no matter who's the victim.
I find it difficult to pity a rapists corpse much. If the rape allegation is false, of course, that changes every aspect of the case. However, if he really did rape her, and was already dead when she cut off his head: Meh; she earned her catharsis, and I doubt even he cared what happened to his head at that point.
You, um, kind of cut off the critical final part of my sentence, which significantly qualified the rest: "A woman should have every legal right to shoot someone she sees approaching her home to rape her at gunpoint (yet again.)" Not whomever walks up to her on the street, but someone entering her home after he had done so and raped her at gunpoint, not just once, but repeatedly, for half a year. If (and it is impossible to be sure at this point,) the facts are as she states, it is hard to dispute she was within her rights to shoot him, and fatally shoot him when she saw him reaching for his own gun. If his corpse has a gun with his fingerprints on it, I would be inclined to believe her account of events. That makes it self defense, not vigilantism; the former (which I wholly support) precludes the latter (which I wholly condemn.)
Nono, I got what you said. But while I said it's understandable what she did and should not be punished as severely, you say it was her right. With that I do not agree.
I do not think she should be punished at all for stopping someone from raping her at gunpoint for the umpteenth time in half a year. That is simple self defense, not a crime; her first shot did not even kill him, but then he tried to pull his gun on her, so she killed him.
When a stranger forcibly enters ones home uninvited, it is reasonable to think they are not just dropping by for tea, and that they probably brought a means to deal with the great likelihood of finding the home occupied by someone inclined to resist them. Consequently, resisting them with lethal force is no more than self defense, again not vigilantism.
That sounds like a free pass to do anything you want to anyone who enters your home. Can't agree with that either. I often have to mention this when it comes to gun laws, but over here burglars don't bring guns when they steal from a house, so proportionality is no longer given when you just shoot them on sight, just in case they meant you harm. Maybe they just wanted to steal your watch.
Again, self defense in the eye of imminent danger: fine. A free pass to rip everyone's head off who enters your property: no fucking way.
The problem is that by the time you find out the other person has a gun it is usually too late to respond accordingly, and until then you can never be certain. All you know for certain is that someone with manifestly little respect for law is in your home, hence they likely have no more respect for gun laws than for the rest, and knowing they faced a strong likelihood of resistance makes it proportionately likely they are armed. If you can get the drop on them and tell them to gtfo if they value their life, fine, but if they respond threateningly to that statement or you meet them face to face, waiting for them to demonstrate their will and ability to kill you may be waiting too long. Ultimately, I think MacArthur had the right of it (for once:) Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.
Think of it this way: If her being raped is plausible enough to justify her killing the fetus (even though most people would agree a fetus is almost certainly a baby at five months,) surely it is at least plausible enough to justify killing her rapist in self defense. Had he "merely" raped her once, with no stated intent to do it again, and she went to his house and killed him, THAT would be vigilantism. She claims he had repeatedly raped her, threatening to shoot HER if she told anyone, and was coming back for more; that makes shooting him self defense. If he were only coming by for a cup of tea he would not need to climb a wall while carrying a gun.
Yes, but I took this case to make a more general statement. As I said, he certainly had it coming by repeatedly giving the poor woman hell. But that doesn't make it (legally or morally) okay what she did but merely understandable.
Like I say, the most I can fault her for legally or morally is decapitating his already lifeless body in the heat of very understandable passion. Fifty dollar fine, and if someone rapes you at gunpoint for months again, just shoot him when he comes back to do it yet again, do not cut off his head.
Something tells me she is unlikely to be raped again any time soon though.
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Turkish Woman Awaits Trial after Beheading Her Alleged Rapist
- 08/09/2012 02:48:21 AM
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I couldn't disagree more with your summary. Way to sound like a civilized world, ca. 2012.
- 08/09/2012 12:01:47 PM
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I never said she should assume every approaching male a rapist, and therefore shoot him.
- 08/09/2012 12:51:29 PM
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Maybe not her, but anyone who catches someone at home?
- 08/09/2012 01:06:46 PM
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If there is no chance to order them out, or they respond threateningly to the order, sure.
- 09/09/2012 02:18:02 AM
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The sad part is that she felt this was her only choice
- 08/09/2012 01:47:10 PM
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True, but I can understand it; there is a lot of stigma attached to being raped, often self-imposed.
- 09/09/2012 02:05:51 AM
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