I'll be totally honest, which may get me some flack.
nossy Send a noteboard - 04/09/2012 03:03:52 PM
While following the political threads on this board and watching some youtube clips regarding the various candidates, I was just wondering about the following.... (Please share your experiences)...
1. The candidates almost undoubtedly market 'change' as the reason to vote for them. I will change this, I will get America where it should be. Do you believe them?
No, not really. I didn't even really believe Obama, though I was hopeful. I think it was while I was reading Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee (about our Indians) that I first realized how far back this goes - the author makes a comment (might even be a quote from a pres, can't remember for sure) that basically says Lincoln tried to institute some positive policies for the Indians, and by the time any of that could even get through the massively slow process of govt, it wouldn't matter because some stupid settler would have been killed or injured and they would have another new fight on their hands. Even with instantaneous information transfer now, nothing is ever going to change enough for us to be able to immediately hang a glowing "Change!" sign on it.
2. Do the candidates deliver? Is there a President in your lifetime who has delivered and really made you glad that you voted for him? Or is it all the same old until they get into the White House and everything remains pretty standard.
They can, and I am hopeful here again, but I have to be honest - I've done no comparative studies, and am only just now becoming an adult. It may be dismissive, but I think that unless one is a poli sci major (or something touching heavily on politics), it is very hard to understand any of this before one owns cars, homes, pays insurance, etc (you get the point?).
3. Does the candidate matter that much to you or do you vote for a party and their policies most times?
I refuse to vote for a party, but I said to a friend yesterday that if I were only voting based on rhetoric, I'd be solidly democrat. Even though it pisses me off to ignore some of the bullshit coming from the right, I have to make the judgment based on how good or bad I think someone might be for the real stuff. Point is, I'm Independent, but it takes a lot of wading through the shit to figure out my vote. I hate this system.
4. How is the quality of your leadership changing? Are your leaders better or worse than 20 or 50 years ago?
Haven't done comparative studies. I think you'll probably have to ask me again in a few years. Right now though, I'll say that I think the competency/intelligence/etc of one person only has so much to do with the problem. I can't tell if it's just that I am paying attention, but I definitely feel the polarity of the parties so much more strongly now. I keep wondering if we've gone too far.
Thank you
This message last edited by nossy on 04/09/2012 at 03:08:33 PM
Americans... help me understand your voting minds
04/09/2012 07:19:54 AM
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Re: Americans... help me understand your voting minds
04/09/2012 02:59:24 PM
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OMG, that is both insightful and infuriating. I am, by turns, perplexed, angry and sexually aroused.
04/09/2012 11:37:45 PM
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I'll be totally honest, which may get me some flack.
04/09/2012 03:03:52 PM
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Re: I'll be totally honest, which may get me some flack.
04/09/2012 03:58:36 PM
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But could you imagine either one taking the second slot on that ticket? *NM*
04/09/2012 04:11:58 PM
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The meanness and partisanship has always been there, especially in DC, however.....
04/09/2012 04:18:29 PM
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I think it's funny your reply has more than twice as many views as mine.
04/09/2012 04:08:49 PM
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I guess a lot of people have you on ignore! *NM*
04/09/2012 04:26:56 PM
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Or I'm boring? *NM*
04/09/2012 05:49:14 PM
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I know the feeling.
04/09/2012 07:42:35 PM
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that is because she logged out and hit refresh over and over to make you look bad
05/09/2012 02:58:28 AM
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Re: Americans... help me understand your voting minds
04/09/2012 09:30:35 PM
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Sorry, but I only gloss over most of what you say.
05/09/2012 03:39:28 PM
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the belief that the GOP is out to get him in a central pillar to the Joel universe *NM*
05/09/2012 03:57:49 PM
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Stephen is basically right on the first point.
05/09/2012 08:39:22 PM
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Thanks for clarifying, Joel. *NM*
06/09/2012 01:31:31 PM
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NP, thanks for asking and listening.
06/09/2012 02:39:54 PM
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On that note (liberals hating America).
07/09/2012 05:35:40 PM
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I (usually) do not think it intentional; unfortunately, that rarely mitigates the harm.
07/09/2012 06:12:56 PM
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