The fallacy of your argument is encapsulated in your statement
The Taliban and Al Qaeda are not more fearsome than even the remnants of the Wehrmacht and SS.
The feasibility of occupation has almost nothing to do with how "fearsome" an opponent is. The Taliban are miserable fighters, but they have access to an almost endless stream of recruits from Pashtun areas in Pakistan and funding from the ISI, just like the Viet Cong in Indochina. The Viet Cong were a disciplined but ineffective fighting force, and after they attempted a direct confrontation with US forces in the Tet Offensive, they were wiped out as a military force (and replaced with North Vietnamese regular forces, who continued the war in their stead).
There were several reasons why occupation worked in Germany and Japan: (1) both countries recognized that they had been defeated in a war that they knew they started, (2) the level of destruction to their cities and towns was so great that they were largely dependent on the occupying forces for even the basic necessities of life and (3) both had a culture of obedience to authority; in the case of Japan there was an added benefit in that the Japanese emperor was allowed to remain and urge his people to cooperate with the occupiers.
In places like Iraq or Afghanistan, there are tribal loyalties and blood feuds. Both profess a religion that is radically different from, and in the eyes of many (on both sides) actively hostile to, the dominant religion in the US. Both are steeped in an anti-colonial, anti-imperialist message. Both have porous borders, easy access to massive amounts of explosives and fanatical recruits (or at least people desperately poor who hope to help their families with suicide attacks).
If you are suggesting total destruction of everything in Afghanistan in order to make the people so dependent on us that they would never dream of attacking us, you're going way farther than I had suggested. I think that our reputation would suffer too much if we took hundreds of hostages, executed them in collective punishment for attacks or razed whole villages. Don't get me wrong; it would work. That sort of counterinsurgency, though, borders on genocide.
My point was just that we should, as a cost-saving measure, announce that we don't follow the "you break it, you own it" policy when it comes to other countries. It would have saved us hundreds of billions of dollars in the last decade.
The Taliban and Al Qaeda are not more fearsome than even the remnants of the Wehrmacht and SS.
The feasibility of occupation has almost nothing to do with how "fearsome" an opponent is. The Taliban are miserable fighters, but they have access to an almost endless stream of recruits from Pashtun areas in Pakistan and funding from the ISI, just like the Viet Cong in Indochina. The Viet Cong were a disciplined but ineffective fighting force, and after they attempted a direct confrontation with US forces in the Tet Offensive, they were wiped out as a military force (and replaced with North Vietnamese regular forces, who continued the war in their stead).
There were several reasons why occupation worked in Germany and Japan: (1) both countries recognized that they had been defeated in a war that they knew they started, (2) the level of destruction to their cities and towns was so great that they were largely dependent on the occupying forces for even the basic necessities of life and (3) both had a culture of obedience to authority; in the case of Japan there was an added benefit in that the Japanese emperor was allowed to remain and urge his people to cooperate with the occupiers.
In places like Iraq or Afghanistan, there are tribal loyalties and blood feuds. Both profess a religion that is radically different from, and in the eyes of many (on both sides) actively hostile to, the dominant religion in the US. Both are steeped in an anti-colonial, anti-imperialist message. Both have porous borders, easy access to massive amounts of explosives and fanatical recruits (or at least people desperately poor who hope to help their families with suicide attacks).
If you are suggesting total destruction of everything in Afghanistan in order to make the people so dependent on us that they would never dream of attacking us, you're going way farther than I had suggested. I think that our reputation would suffer too much if we took hundreds of hostages, executed them in collective punishment for attacks or razed whole villages. Don't get me wrong; it would work. That sort of counterinsurgency, though, borders on genocide.
My point was just that we should, as a cost-saving measure, announce that we don't follow the "you break it, you own it" policy when it comes to other countries. It would have saved us hundreds of billions of dollars in the last decade.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius
Ummaka qinnassa nīk!
*MySmiley*
Biden claims Romney wants war with Syria and Iran.
02/09/2012 10:48:24 PM
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Meh. Sounds like a non-story. But my thoughts, for what they're worth.
02/09/2012 11:05:52 PM
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Biden should be busy preparing to debate Ryan so he is not shredded, instead of saying stupid things
02/09/2012 11:52:35 PM
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We should introduce a new military doctrine
03/09/2012 02:46:33 AM
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I still think the post-war Axis powers the best model, but that requires equivalent manpower.
03/09/2012 03:57:12 AM
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It's a terrible model.
03/09/2012 11:42:36 PM
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Re: It's a terrible model.
04/09/2012 04:09:21 AM
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I recently read Stephen Ambrose's Band of Brothers, about a regiment from the 101st in WW2.
04/09/2012 10:29:01 PM
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wars they didn't start themselves? how do you figure that?
04/09/2012 10:45:07 PM
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We cannot hold all Afghanistan/Iraq accountable for governments against which they were powerless.
04/09/2012 11:54:46 PM
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so what? Governments habe always been who goes to war
05/09/2012 02:55:25 AM
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True, but we cannot hold people responsible for actions of their undemocratic governments.
05/09/2012 03:19:20 AM
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well thanks to the US they now have democratcily elected governments and can be held accountable *NM*
05/09/2012 02:30:41 PM
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Democratically elected? We will be propping it up with the US Army for at least two more years.
05/09/2012 07:19:21 PM
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being propped up by the US military doesn't make it not a democracy
05/09/2012 07:29:42 PM
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Political power that comes out of the barrel of a gun precludes democracy.
05/09/2012 09:01:40 PM
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it was always a lost cost and all governments are backed up by the barrel of a gun
05/09/2012 09:49:51 PM
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No more so than Iraq, but at least there was a threat to America to fight in Afghanistan.
23/09/2012 04:51:14 AM
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I said start. I quite agree with you about the things that went on after the wars themselves ended.
05/09/2012 08:51:58 PM
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shooting at our aircraft is none hostile?
05/09/2012 10:06:07 PM
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It is very difficult to reconcile this post with Toms.
04/09/2012 11:50:06 PM
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Hey, remember when Bush invaded Iraq? For no reason at all, it turned out?
03/09/2012 01:56:49 AM
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Realistically, I don't think Romney would do MUCH different. But that little bit...
03/09/2012 02:19:14 AM
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After all the moeny he took from Sheldon Adelson he HAS to attack Iran. Adelson will foot the bill. *NM*
03/09/2012 05:19:27 AM
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I don't think Romney is that interested in starting a war with anyone
04/09/2012 02:39:14 PM
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