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Ah, right; I had forgotten our previous discussion of conscriptions termination in the '90s and '00s Joel Send a noteboard - 03/09/2012 06:48:28 PM
The odd thing is I know no liberal who would support, would not strongly condemn, the approach most appealing to me: Reinstate the draft, letting folks opt out at the cost of voting rights. Curiously, neither side debating "European style socialisms" merits ever mentions that conscription (at least of men) is the European norm.

Let's try this again: conscription is very far from the "norm" in Europe, with only a handful of small countries still practicing it - plus the two big ones who can't seem to make up their mind on whether or not they are European, Russia and Turkey. Considering your views of both countries, I rather doubt that you'd seriously claim they define the European norm.

Though Germany still had it until about this time last year. Fair enough then; I think ending conscription was as much a mistake in continental Europe as it was in the US, for the same horde of reasons, but cannot accurately call it the European norm anymore.
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Anybody here ever studied the founding fathers of America? Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 07:34:28 PM 751 Views
Slave-owning, mysoginist, wig-wearing members of the landed elite? Bored - 30/08/2012 07:51:33 PM 502 Views
Ha! Yeah, all personal faults aside Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 07:54:13 PM 444 Views
Not John Adams or Alexander Hamilton.....fool! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 31/08/2012 05:18:05 AM 273 Views
No, never, not even briefly. Joel - 30/08/2012 07:57:39 PM 508 Views
What? Nooooo way Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 08:06:30 PM 508 Views
My US history class was an hour long and I always got distracted by a butterfly or something. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:50:39 PM 459 Views
Did you just kinda compare yourself to the founding fathers? nossy - 30/08/2012 08:08:40 PM 519 Views
Not positively, but I have often thought they were a bad influence on me. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:21:48 PM 540 Views
Funny, my reaction to sentences like those is nearly the opposite. Legolas - 30/08/2012 08:11:34 PM 489 Views
Fair point; it is revealing that none of the Bill of Rights amendments have multiple sections. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:39:24 PM 523 Views
You're projecting. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2012 12:48:12 AM 235 Views
I am aspiring. Joel - 31/08/2012 01:09:40 AM 645 Views
As a personal aside ... Nate - 31/08/2012 01:43:45 AM 565 Views
Yes. nossy - 31/08/2012 01:49:41 AM 582 Views
Like I say, maybe I invest too much in online posting. Joel - 31/08/2012 02:02:58 AM 619 Views
Re: Nate - 31/08/2012 02:27:00 AM 594 Views
Re: Re: Joel - 31/08/2012 02:37:35 AM 598 Views
Well nossy - 31/08/2012 02:54:25 AM 598 Views
It does get repetitive too often. Joel - 31/08/2012 05:07:41 AM 601 Views
Doesn't really matter. You're gonna keep doing it. nossy - 31/08/2012 05:16:23 AM 555 Views
Maybe.... Joel - 31/08/2012 05:03:11 PM 597 Views
Re: Maybe.... nossy - 31/08/2012 05:15:52 PM 420 Views
Re: Maybe.... Joel - 31/08/2012 06:18:32 PM 557 Views
You aren't Plato, Burke, or Madison. Ghavrel - 31/08/2012 10:34:22 AM 514 Views
That is why it is aspiration rather than equivalence. Joel - 31/08/2012 05:01:20 PM 482 Views
I'm not so sure you're entirely right. nossy - 30/08/2012 11:06:39 PM 639 Views
I did. They smelled of mahogany and death. They looked scabby and skeletal. TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2012 12:35:44 AM 537 Views
Sounds like you have a job to do. Joel - 31/08/2012 01:11:10 AM 540 Views
Don't forget Hamilton! The creator of the American economy..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 31/08/2012 05:19:50 AM 283 Views
... and big government. Joel - 01/09/2012 01:54:20 PM 430 Views
I don't really buy that..... Anonymous2000 - 01/09/2012 08:33:28 PM 485 Views
Hamilton loudly and often advocated a central bank, national debt and active federal government. Joel - 01/09/2012 08:41:50 PM 671 Views
I think the entire Age of Enlightenment is fascinating random thoughts - 31/08/2012 06:32:23 PM 464 Views
You realize you just made a great argument for intelligentsia rule, right? Joel - 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM 556 Views
I would want better intelligenstia first random thoughts - 01/09/2012 02:48:28 PM 611 Views
Ah, the old uneducated>miseducated argument. Joel - 01/09/2012 03:39:07 PM 572 Views
*wonders if we could test* Burr - 02/09/2012 02:45:10 PM 440 Views
no there is a better reason why it wouldn't work random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:58:18 PM 591 Views
No,no, I was wondering if -we- could test it. Burr - 03/09/2012 04:17:11 PM 489 Views
yeah I am a bit of a cynic *NM* random thoughts - 04/09/2012 03:01:28 PM 246 Views
I expect the rankings would be too subjective for credibility. Joel - 02/09/2012 04:27:32 PM 572 Views
I listen to some of supposed intellectuals talk and I am unimpressed random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:53:21 PM 483 Views
Being well read does not make one smart, but does facilitate it to a great degree. Joel - 02/09/2012 04:32:05 PM 434 Views
I like the Starship Trooper approach random thoughts - 02/09/2012 05:04:17 PM 548 Views
I run very hot and cold on that one. Joel - 02/09/2012 06:28:44 PM 639 Views
The problem I'd have with that draft for votes idea... Burr - 03/09/2012 04:28:34 PM 565 Views
I am not so sure it would. Joel - 03/09/2012 05:45:39 PM 574 Views
What was that again about "you have a right to your own opinion, not your own facts"? Legolas - 03/09/2012 06:39:01 PM 592 Views
Ah, right; I had forgotten our previous discussion of conscriptions termination in the '90s and '00s Joel - 03/09/2012 06:48:28 PM 528 Views
If you worked with more engineers you might change your opinion on the science degree part random thoughts - 04/09/2012 03:00:16 PM 482 Views
Maybe; I would likely just conclude horse sense is uncommon everywhere, but less so in engineers. Joel - 05/09/2012 12:11:58 AM 404 Views
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