... is that it would leave the only ones left with voting rights being the ones least in opposition to the push for war, though the war is itself something that should be accountable to voting rights.
It think it would make the electorate more cognizant of wars cost, and restrict war to conflicts for which the majority is willing to pay that price personally rather than letting their mouths write checks cashed by other peoples butts. I do not think a "conscription-franchise" would make current military members any more or less inclined to war, but requiring current civilians enlist would instantly make them and their families far more deliberative about war. Of course, many would reject conscription even at the cost of their voting rights, but that strikes me as not only a fair but wise trade.
It simply isn't possible to fairly equate being willing to fight a war with having skin in the game. Hell, even if the war is guaranteed to be just and necessary, there are still some problems with the rigor of such an equation: e.g., a) there are different ways to have skin in the game other than being willing to fight, and b) a person might be theoretically willing to fight, but be so opposed to the current war strategy or implementation that they think the war that is just and necessary isn't the one being implemented. Such a person should be able to attempt to do their part to change the nation's course, regardless of whether or not they are legally drafted. Accepting that, it just brings us back to the normal question of whether a person should be involuntarily drafted.
There are certainly different ways to have skin in the game, but that only underscores the shallow public support for our recent wars. Given public outrage at rising gas prices since the Iraq invasion it is hard to imagine any support for WWIIs rationing or war bonds. In post-Vietnam America, war is something the majority declares but the minority wages. Homefront "sacrifices" consist of no more than flags on our lapels and ironic "Support the Troops" bumperstickers. Countries committed to war on two fronts do not demand tax cuts.
Your second point is the key, because if military service were a prerequisite for voting war would be impossible without support from a majority of those fighting. Some might not consider the war just or necessary, but would never authorize it unless they considered it somehow beneficial. As it stands, Americans are too easily convinced of wars legitimacy, because those fighting tend to be the least opposed and those not fighting can "patriotically" endorse war at no personal cost.
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Anybody here ever studied the founding fathers of America?
30/08/2012 07:34:28 PM
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Slave-owning, mysoginist, wig-wearing members of the landed elite?
30/08/2012 07:51:33 PM
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No, never, not even briefly.
30/08/2012 07:57:39 PM
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What? Nooooo way
30/08/2012 08:06:30 PM
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My US history class was an hour long and I always got distracted by a butterfly or something.
30/08/2012 08:50:39 PM
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Did you just kinda compare yourself to the founding fathers?
30/08/2012 08:08:40 PM
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Not positively, but I have often thought they were a bad influence on me.
30/08/2012 08:21:48 PM
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Funny, my reaction to sentences like those is nearly the opposite.
30/08/2012 08:11:34 PM
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Fair point; it is revealing that none of the Bill of Rights amendments have multiple sections.
30/08/2012 08:39:24 PM
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You're projecting. *NM*
31/08/2012 12:48:12 AM
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I am aspiring.
31/08/2012 01:09:40 AM
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As a personal aside ...
31/08/2012 01:43:45 AM
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Like I say, maybe I invest too much in online posting.
31/08/2012 02:02:58 AM
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Re:
31/08/2012 02:27:00 AM
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Re: Re:
31/08/2012 02:37:35 AM
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Well
31/08/2012 02:54:25 AM
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It does get repetitive too often.
31/08/2012 05:07:41 AM
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Doesn't really matter. You're gonna keep doing it.
31/08/2012 05:16:23 AM
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I did. They smelled of mahogany and death. They looked scabby and skeletal.
31/08/2012 12:35:44 AM
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Don't forget Hamilton! The creator of the American economy..... *NM*
31/08/2012 05:19:50 AM
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... and big government.
01/09/2012 01:54:20 PM
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I don't really buy that.....
01/09/2012 08:33:28 PM
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Hamilton loudly and often advocated a central bank, national debt and active federal government.
01/09/2012 08:41:50 PM
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I think the entire Age of Enlightenment is fascinating
31/08/2012 06:32:23 PM
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You realize you just made a great argument for intelligentsia rule, right?
01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM
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I would want better intelligenstia first
01/09/2012 02:48:28 PM
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Ah, the old uneducated>miseducated argument.
01/09/2012 03:39:07 PM
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*wonders if we could test*
02/09/2012 02:45:10 PM
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no there is a better reason why it wouldn't work
02/09/2012 02:58:18 PM
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I listen to some of supposed intellectuals talk and I am unimpressed
02/09/2012 02:53:21 PM
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Being well read does not make one smart, but does facilitate it to a great degree.
02/09/2012 04:32:05 PM
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I like the Starship Trooper approach
02/09/2012 05:04:17 PM
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I run very hot and cold on that one.
02/09/2012 06:28:44 PM
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The problem I'd have with that draft for votes idea...
03/09/2012 04:28:34 PM
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I am not so sure it would.
03/09/2012 05:45:39 PM
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What was that again about "you have a right to your own opinion, not your own facts"?
03/09/2012 06:39:01 PM
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Ah, right; I had forgotten our previous discussion of conscriptions termination in the '90s and '00s
03/09/2012 06:48:28 PM
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If you worked with more engineers you might change your opinion on the science degree part
04/09/2012 03:00:16 PM
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Maybe; I would likely just conclude horse sense is uncommon everywhere, but less so in engineers.
05/09/2012 12:11:58 AM
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