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If he could save it he shouldn't have he could but he did say he could random thoughts Send a noteboard - 02/09/2012 09:43:56 PM
The argument wasn't that Obama caused the plant close, a fact the opinion heavy fact checkers seem to have missed, the argument is that Obama told the people at the plant that with government help the plant could be retooled and kept open making energy efficient cars for the next hundred years. Ryan never said Obama caused the plant to close, some journalist playing at fact checker decided that is what he meant. Ryan was even clear to it was candidate Obama who had made them statement which should make it clear he was talking about broken campaign promises. The only thing Ryan said that was factually incorrect, you like fact checkers are supposed to be checking for, is that Obama didn't actually promises to keep the plant open he simply implied that he would. When fact checkers become opinion givers, which is what they became when the decided what they thought Ryan was implying, then why even call them fact checkers anymore especially when liberal rags like the Tampa Times is funding them and their fact checkers come from the same journalist school of thought who believe the only thing wrong with saying republicans like party while black people drown is doing it front of a hot mic.
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That similarity occured to me, too. *NM* - 31/08/2012 09:37:22 PM 237 Views
and how fact checks the fact checkers? *NM* - 31/08/2012 05:19:45 PM 218 Views
Fox, presumably. - 31/08/2012 06:05:56 PM 726 Views
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