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I expect the rankings would be too subjective for credibility. Joel Send a noteboard - 02/09/2012 04:27:32 PM
Like, get an average of the more rigorous/sensibly-sourced rankings of Presidents. See which voting record, the popular vote or the electoral vote, has the least amount of error were we to try to use them to reproduce that ranking. Hmm, but that doesn't work because the electoral college has loyalties to the popular vote on a state-by-state basis.

Though not because of the "vast left-wing conspiracy" below referenced. Ranking the presidents is just inherently subjective, influenced by proximity as much as partisanship. And, yes, with rare exception, the electoral college just amplifies the popular vote so Lincoln, Wilson, Clinton etc. get the majority constitutionally required.
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Anybody here ever studied the founding fathers of America? Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 07:34:28 PM 820 Views
Slave-owning, mysoginist, wig-wearing members of the landed elite? Bored - 30/08/2012 07:51:33 PM 561 Views
Ha! Yeah, all personal faults aside Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 07:54:13 PM 499 Views
Not John Adams or Alexander Hamilton.....fool! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 31/08/2012 05:18:05 AM 297 Views
No, never, not even briefly. Joel - 30/08/2012 07:57:39 PM 575 Views
What? Nooooo way Dark Knight - 30/08/2012 08:06:30 PM 576 Views
My US history class was an hour long and I always got distracted by a butterfly or something. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:50:39 PM 516 Views
Did you just kinda compare yourself to the founding fathers? nossy - 30/08/2012 08:08:40 PM 591 Views
Not positively, but I have often thought they were a bad influence on me. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:21:48 PM 600 Views
Funny, my reaction to sentences like those is nearly the opposite. Legolas - 30/08/2012 08:11:34 PM 555 Views
Fair point; it is revealing that none of the Bill of Rights amendments have multiple sections. Joel - 30/08/2012 08:39:24 PM 588 Views
You're projecting. *NM* Ghavrel - 31/08/2012 12:48:12 AM 262 Views
I am aspiring. Joel - 31/08/2012 01:09:40 AM 703 Views
As a personal aside ... Nate - 31/08/2012 01:43:45 AM 632 Views
Yes. nossy - 31/08/2012 01:49:41 AM 645 Views
Like I say, maybe I invest too much in online posting. Joel - 31/08/2012 02:02:58 AM 674 Views
Re: Nate - 31/08/2012 02:27:00 AM 656 Views
Re: Re: Joel - 31/08/2012 02:37:35 AM 658 Views
Well nossy - 31/08/2012 02:54:25 AM 662 Views
It does get repetitive too often. Joel - 31/08/2012 05:07:41 AM 665 Views
Doesn't really matter. You're gonna keep doing it. nossy - 31/08/2012 05:16:23 AM 617 Views
Maybe.... Joel - 31/08/2012 05:03:11 PM 658 Views
Re: Maybe.... nossy - 31/08/2012 05:15:52 PM 476 Views
Re: Maybe.... Joel - 31/08/2012 06:18:32 PM 617 Views
You aren't Plato, Burke, or Madison. Ghavrel - 31/08/2012 10:34:22 AM 575 Views
That is why it is aspiration rather than equivalence. Joel - 31/08/2012 05:01:20 PM 540 Views
I'm not so sure you're entirely right. nossy - 30/08/2012 11:06:39 PM 701 Views
I did. They smelled of mahogany and death. They looked scabby and skeletal. TaskmasterJack - 31/08/2012 12:35:44 AM 601 Views
Sounds like you have a job to do. Joel - 31/08/2012 01:11:10 AM 600 Views
Don't forget Hamilton! The creator of the American economy..... *NM* Anonymous2000 - 31/08/2012 05:19:50 AM 308 Views
... and big government. Joel - 01/09/2012 01:54:20 PM 492 Views
I don't really buy that..... Anonymous2000 - 01/09/2012 08:33:28 PM 542 Views
Hamilton loudly and often advocated a central bank, national debt and active federal government. Joel - 01/09/2012 08:41:50 PM 738 Views
I think the entire Age of Enlightenment is fascinating random thoughts - 31/08/2012 06:32:23 PM 524 Views
You realize you just made a great argument for intelligentsia rule, right? Joel - 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM 611 Views
I would want better intelligenstia first random thoughts - 01/09/2012 02:48:28 PM 683 Views
Ah, the old uneducated>miseducated argument. Joel - 01/09/2012 03:39:07 PM 633 Views
*wonders if we could test* Burr - 02/09/2012 02:45:10 PM 506 Views
no there is a better reason why it wouldn't work random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:58:18 PM 650 Views
No,no, I was wondering if -we- could test it. Burr - 03/09/2012 04:17:11 PM 552 Views
yeah I am a bit of a cynic *NM* random thoughts - 04/09/2012 03:01:28 PM 270 Views
I expect the rankings would be too subjective for credibility. Joel - 02/09/2012 04:27:32 PM 636 Views
I listen to some of supposed intellectuals talk and I am unimpressed random thoughts - 02/09/2012 02:53:21 PM 544 Views
Being well read does not make one smart, but does facilitate it to a great degree. Joel - 02/09/2012 04:32:05 PM 498 Views
I like the Starship Trooper approach random thoughts - 02/09/2012 05:04:17 PM 605 Views
I run very hot and cold on that one. Joel - 02/09/2012 06:28:44 PM 699 Views
The problem I'd have with that draft for votes idea... Burr - 03/09/2012 04:28:34 PM 616 Views
I am not so sure it would. Joel - 03/09/2012 05:45:39 PM 640 Views
What was that again about "you have a right to your own opinion, not your own facts"? Legolas - 03/09/2012 06:39:01 PM 663 Views
Ah, right; I had forgotten our previous discussion of conscriptions termination in the '90s and '00s Joel - 03/09/2012 06:48:28 PM 597 Views
If you worked with more engineers you might change your opinion on the science degree part random thoughts - 04/09/2012 03:00:16 PM 543 Views
Maybe; I would likely just conclude horse sense is uncommon everywhere, but less so in engineers. Joel - 05/09/2012 12:11:58 AM 459 Views
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