Ryan claimed that Obama failed to save the plant like said he would by retooling it and selling green cars and it was operating on a limited basis when Obama bought GM. He told the people that under his leadership it could be saved. The fact that it was mostly closed when he took office is irrelevant since it was already scheduled to close when he made the promise. Nothing significant changed that prevented Obama from retooling the plant except for the complete failure of the Obama green economy strategy. That was the point and in this case the fact checkers failed since they stopped being fact checkers when they started putting their own opinions of how the issue should be viewed into the mix.
Sorry in a discussion on how much you can trust fact checkers claiming your argument is more valid because it comes from the same suspect fact checkers is a circular argument and as such it is completely worthless.
Sorry in a discussion on how much you can trust fact checkers claiming your argument is more valid because it comes from the same suspect fact checkers is a circular argument and as such it is completely worthless.
That is the beauty of facts: Checking by Politifact, Walker, the Man in the Moon or ANYONE clearly shows closure was decided six months, and employees fired one month, before Obama took office. He never "bought GM" anyway, because the publicly purchased GM stock granted no control, but could not prevent a literal fait accompli even if had: At most, he could only re-open a plant already closed. He made an extravagant impossible promise typical of politicians, but that is all he did.
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This message last edited by Joel on 01/09/2012 at 08:33:40 PM
how to make political convention speeches more entertaining
31/08/2012 03:57:11 PM
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and how fact checks the fact checkers? *NM*
31/08/2012 05:19:45 PM
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Fox, presumably.
31/08/2012 06:05:56 PM
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the fact checkers tend be journalist and deserve all the trust that goes with that *NM*
01/09/2012 10:36:18 AM
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Facts are facts, and not in the eye of the beholder.
01/09/2012 12:08:41 PM
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That might be true if fat checkers limited themsleves to facts and not opinion
01/09/2012 02:44:41 PM
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Stating opinions as fact invites checking them as facts.
01/09/2012 02:59:23 PM
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I will let Scott Wlaker explain it to you
01/09/2012 05:56:00 PM
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Even Walker admits "It’s closed — has been as long as Obama has been president."
01/09/2012 06:27:32 PM
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well since Ryan never claimed Obama caused the plant to close it doesn't matter when it closed
01/09/2012 08:10:26 PM
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How could he save a plant already closed?
01/09/2012 08:31:55 PM
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It's obvious.
01/09/2012 10:12:33 PM
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what is obvious is despite him saying they would his policies didn't save the plant
02/09/2012 09:48:08 PM
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If he could save it he shouldn't have he could but he did say he could
02/09/2012 09:43:56 PM
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The video says his comments were 2 Feb, 2008, when the plant was open;when he took office it was not
02/09/2012 10:26:46 PM
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Then what would Daily Show and Colbert do every night if someone does their work for them? *NM*
31/08/2012 09:38:17 PM
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presumably they would have plenty of other material to work with.... *NM*
01/09/2012 06:33:33 AM
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I loathe the conventions, but this will make it worse
01/09/2012 03:52:15 AM
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you're talking about what people who already follow these things do
01/09/2012 06:40:42 AM
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We fundamentally disagree
01/09/2012 01:54:26 PM
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The absence of either filter or rebuttal diminishes the informative value of conventions.
01/09/2012 03:21:03 PM
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