Active Users:1118 Time:23/11/2024 12:48:35 AM
You realize you just made a great argument for intelligentsia rule, right? Joel Send a noteboard - 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM
It wasn't just the Founding Fathers but the entire movement they were basing their ideas on. I haven't studied it as much as I would like but I do love the poetry in the way they wrote and the logic and reason they tried to bring into their ideas. Today's zero attention span believe what after matches your world view way thinking of pales in comparison. Thats what happens when you let the riff raff into the conversation.

The Constitutions framers founded a republic rather than democracy in a deliberate effort to keep riff raff OUT of the conversation (incidentally indulging some sexism and racism.) Laws rather than votes govern America because they feared mob rule, but preventing mob rule necessarily inhibits democracy: That is the point. Obviously, elected representatives make our laws, but since the US Constitutions Framers also wrote state laws restricting voting to free white land-owning males over 21, it is clear just how undemocratic their intent was: They wanted legislators and those electing them to be competent enough for self-government.

I am very conflicted about that because there are many good arguments for and against such an approach. We both know what would result from restricting voting to the modern heirs of the same intelligentsia who produced the starkly contrasting American and French Revolutions. Part of me certainly wishes Birthers did not vote, but not that they COULD not vote. Our disagreement does not, by itself, invalidate their right to self-government, or even prove them wrong: It just means we disagree. Arguments everyone should be empowered ring hollow if they only mean a Randian "empowerment" on the terms of a small ruling elite.
Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.

Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
Reply to message
Anybody here ever studied the founding fathers of America? - 30/08/2012 07:34:28 PM 752 Views
Slave-owning, mysoginist, wig-wearing members of the landed elite? - 30/08/2012 07:51:33 PM 502 Views
Ha! Yeah, all personal faults aside - 30/08/2012 07:54:13 PM 445 Views
Not John Adams or Alexander Hamilton.....fool! *NM* - 31/08/2012 05:18:05 AM 273 Views
No, never, not even briefly. - 30/08/2012 07:57:39 PM 508 Views
What? Nooooo way - 30/08/2012 08:06:30 PM 509 Views
You're projecting. *NM* - 31/08/2012 12:48:12 AM 235 Views
I am aspiring. - 31/08/2012 01:09:40 AM 645 Views
As a personal aside ... - 31/08/2012 01:43:45 AM 566 Views
Yes. - 31/08/2012 01:49:41 AM 583 Views
Like I say, maybe I invest too much in online posting. - 31/08/2012 02:02:58 AM 620 Views
Re: - 31/08/2012 02:27:00 AM 594 Views
Re: Re: - 31/08/2012 02:37:35 AM 599 Views
Well - 31/08/2012 02:54:25 AM 598 Views
It does get repetitive too often. - 31/08/2012 05:07:41 AM 601 Views
Doesn't really matter. You're gonna keep doing it. - 31/08/2012 05:16:23 AM 556 Views
Maybe.... - 31/08/2012 05:03:11 PM 597 Views
Re: Maybe.... - 31/08/2012 05:15:52 PM 420 Views
Re: Maybe.... - 31/08/2012 06:18:32 PM 559 Views
You aren't Plato, Burke, or Madison. - 31/08/2012 10:34:22 AM 515 Views
That is why it is aspiration rather than equivalence. - 31/08/2012 05:01:20 PM 483 Views
I'm not so sure you're entirely right. - 30/08/2012 11:06:39 PM 640 Views
I did. They smelled of mahogany and death. They looked scabby and skeletal. - 31/08/2012 12:35:44 AM 537 Views
Sounds like you have a job to do. - 31/08/2012 01:11:10 AM 540 Views
Don't forget Hamilton! The creator of the American economy..... *NM* - 31/08/2012 05:19:50 AM 283 Views
... and big government. - 01/09/2012 01:54:20 PM 430 Views
I don't really buy that..... - 01/09/2012 08:33:28 PM 486 Views
I think the entire Age of Enlightenment is fascinating - 31/08/2012 06:32:23 PM 466 Views
You realize you just made a great argument for intelligentsia rule, right? - 01/09/2012 01:48:58 PM 557 Views
I would want better intelligenstia first - 01/09/2012 02:48:28 PM 612 Views
Ah, the old uneducated>miseducated argument. - 01/09/2012 03:39:07 PM 573 Views
*wonders if we could test* - 02/09/2012 02:45:10 PM 440 Views
no there is a better reason why it wouldn't work - 02/09/2012 02:58:18 PM 591 Views
No,no, I was wondering if -we- could test it. - 03/09/2012 04:17:11 PM 489 Views
yeah I am a bit of a cynic *NM* - 04/09/2012 03:01:28 PM 246 Views
I expect the rankings would be too subjective for credibility. - 02/09/2012 04:27:32 PM 572 Views

Reply to Message