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Disillusioned, sure. But I don't recall ever considering voting Republican. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 14/08/2012 12:31:17 AM
In Isaac's thread, I said Romney was the only Republican who didn't terrify me--not exactly a ringing endorsement. ;)
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Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate Legolas - 11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM 1764 Views
Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year. LordPerrin - 11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM 806 Views
Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous Isaac - 11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM 774 Views
it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things moondog - 11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM 814 Views
Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months? Isaac - 11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM 868 Views
+1 - Great post! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:32:21 AM 504 Views
We're on a roll here Isaac. I agree with you again. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:18:32 AM 821 Views
yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people moondog - 12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM 895 Views
They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently Isaac - 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM 768 Views
Fred Phelps is 82 Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:28:01 AM 714 Views
So is Pat Robertson *NM* Isaac - 13/08/2012 02:41:28 AM 479 Views
They're not enlightened at all. Tom - 21/08/2012 02:04:09 PM 979 Views
Agreed, but ya'll continue doing it anyway. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:24:09 PM 806 Views
I dunno, but from my perspective (and this is from one who doesn't follow politics closely) LordPerrin - 11/08/2012 08:32:43 PM 1007 Views
People say it so much it kinda grinds into the brain Isaac - 11/08/2012 09:17:16 PM 714 Views
Thank you for making sense. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:01:53 AM 776 Views
voting third party is a good idea moondog - 11/08/2012 08:15:41 PM 791 Views
I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM 715 Views
If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run. Joel - 12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM 738 Views
Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM 879 Views
Who said anything about the two-party system? Joel - 12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM 713 Views
No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting. Aemon - 12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM 961 Views
I strongly disagree. Joel - 12/08/2012 05:11:52 AM 798 Views
I'm with Joel on this. There's a big difference between voting third party and not voting. Legolas - 12/08/2012 07:31:29 PM 871 Views
as the saying goes "the lesser of two evils is still evil" moondog - 12/08/2012 08:06:20 PM 785 Views
Nice asshatery. everynametaken - 12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM 955 Views
Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM 728 Views
Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM* Stephen - 12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM 388 Views
Not voting sends no message but "we will let politicians do as they please." Joel - 12/08/2012 05:12:55 PM 1153 Views
Well there's a difference between not voting at all and not voting in one race Isaac - 12/08/2012 05:55:47 PM 892 Views
Usually only in degree, not kind, though I mostly had the former in mind. Joel - 12/08/2012 07:27:54 PM 842 Views
+1 - Good post. Joel is off the deep end, once again. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 07:42:23 PM 508 Views
I hope that most of the disenchanted Obama 08 suppoerters feel the same way *NM* random thoughts - 13/08/2012 11:27:15 AM 377 Views
Oh dear. Stephen - 11/08/2012 06:26:07 PM 768 Views
I'm happy with it, I like Ryan Isaac - 11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM 789 Views
What a shock. Legolas - 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM 911 Views
Most Republicans are fine with gutting Medicare. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:31:03 PM 1006 Views
Everyone with an ounce of common sense is okay with "gutting" Medicare..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:37:17 AM 724 Views
The only thing bankrupting Medicare is unsustainable US healthcare costs eating 20% of US GDP. Joel - 12/08/2012 03:56:28 AM 1032 Views
Silly comment - 30% of Medicare is FRAUD.....and the program is fatally flawed. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:09:26 AM 862 Views
So private insurance costs are really growing SIXTY percent faster?! Joel - 12/08/2012 04:24:49 AM 866 Views
Medicare worked for 50 years and SS for 80 because most people were DYING before 65. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:29:26 AM 663 Views
Eligibility age for both must increase (SSs has, but not enough.) They are not "unsustainable." Joel - 12/08/2012 04:31:57 AM 653 Views
Medicare is 100% unsustainable in it's current format..... Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 04:36:13 AM 717 Views
[citation needed] *NM* moondog - 12/08/2012 08:09:44 PM 514 Views
Re: What a shock. Isaac - 11/08/2012 08:51:12 PM 883 Views
ryan isn't going to help rmoney win wisconsin moondog - 11/08/2012 08:21:27 PM 884 Views
Picking Ryan was an olive branch to the GOP rank and file. Joel - 11/08/2012 08:05:41 PM 1003 Views
definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november moondog - 11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM 815 Views
Since I forgot you asked Americans if it would change our votes: No, still voting Jill Stein (Green) Joel - 11/08/2012 11:07:12 PM 736 Views
Who cares? He's hot. Rebekah - 11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM 973 Views
So are you a fan of David Cameron? Roland00 - 12/08/2012 12:12:50 AM 645 Views
Lol. Nice one. *NM* everynametaken - 12/08/2012 08:22:01 AM 439 Views
I actually said, "He's not hot enough." Aeryn - 13/08/2012 01:15:58 PM 711 Views
On the plus side, you need not fear Ryans failure to mention abortion and contraception. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:17:45 PM 895 Views
Tigr - 13/08/2012 03:31:38 PM 857 Views
Legolas a question for you, what is your opinion of George W Bush Social Security Plans in 2005? Roland00 - 12/08/2012 01:03:24 AM 724 Views
Didn't know enough about them to have an opinion, honestly. Legolas - 12/08/2012 06:40:22 PM 858 Views
Well Paul Ryan also had a social security plan in 2005 Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:48:39 AM 852 Views
Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video. Anonymous2000 - 12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM 710 Views
Nice video. Legolas - 12/08/2012 06:52:59 PM 814 Views
Can you explain your fascination with Ryans ideas, please? Joel - 13/08/2012 04:08:35 AM 767 Views
No, it doesn't change my opinion any Larry - 12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM 898 Views
I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee. Joel - 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM 806 Views
Yes, they disavowed him Larry - 12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM 801 Views
Apparently the TN Democratic Party agrees voters should write in someone elses name. Joel - 12/08/2012 08:34:46 PM 772 Views
Does not work in the US Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM 756 Views
We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters. Joel - 13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM 718 Views
Your distinction misses my greater point Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:51:26 AM 766 Views
*shrugs* Vote absentee then. Joel - 13/08/2012 02:28:32 AM 788 Views
I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything. Tom - 12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM 797 Views
But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not? Legolas - 12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM 956 Views
I disagree Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:52:07 AM 819 Views
Bloomberg has imploded Tom - 13/08/2012 07:12:56 PM 719 Views
Bloomberg has become a national laughingstock. everynametaken - 13/08/2012 08:13:24 PM 807 Views
Not as much as either Obama or Romney, surely. Legolas - 13/08/2012 08:23:41 PM 794 Views
Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience. Aeryn - 13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM 730 Views
What should Obama have done? Tom - 13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM 761 Views
And how much of that do you expect from Romney? Joel - 14/08/2012 10:21:33 AM 1088 Views
Certainly more than from Obama. Tom - 16/08/2012 12:00:19 AM 700 Views
Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama. Ghavrel - 12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM 880 Views
But doesn't he say he detests Rand? Stephen - 12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM 623 Views
No he doesn't disavow Ayn Rand, he still believes in her Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:15:34 AM 811 Views
Good to know. Stephen - 13/08/2012 08:42:22 AM 819 Views
that is pretty mild of you campare it to the radical influence in Obama's life *NM* random thoughts - 13/08/2012 11:35:52 AM 489 Views
Ah, the classic "it is OK because their guy rapes puppies, too, even though he does not" defense. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:23:29 PM 652 Views
Obama doesn't have a history of openly endorsing the views of said radicals. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:32:52 AM 532 Views
he has a much closer and more personal realtionship with radicals than Romney or Ryan *NM* random thoughts - 20/08/2012 03:54:17 AM 495 Views
Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM 925 Views
Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours Roland00 - 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM 697 Views
Sorry, I completely missed your link. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:09:11 PM 820 Views
Don't get me wrong Roland00 - 13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM 736 Views
Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did Isaac - 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM 876 Views
What an amusing retrospective. Joel - 13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM 891 Views
Uh... how exactly did you get to spending and budget timelines? Isaac - 13/08/2012 04:59:45 AM 721 Views
Tangentially, of course. Joel - 13/08/2012 05:08:18 AM 757 Views
I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM 666 Views
It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.) Joel - 14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM 738 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM 809 Views
They have a pill for that now. Joel - 14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM 849 Views
I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM 511 Views
Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem. Joel - 16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM 804 Views
I don't think you can succinctly do anything. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/08/2012 09:33:38 PM 519 Views
I just did. Joel - 16/08/2012 09:36:21 PM 795 Views
EDIT: ACK! Hoist on my own petard! Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:25:27 AM 747 Views
Disillusioned, sure. But I don't recall ever considering voting Republican. Ghavrel - 14/08/2012 12:31:17 AM 814 Views
No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood? ironclad - 13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM 670 Views
They are really doing a public service that way. *NM* Stephen - 13/08/2012 02:26:39 PM 357 Views
I saw a theory just after the announcement speculating Ryan was chosen as a scapegoat. Joel - 13/08/2012 03:33:56 PM 815 Views
I agree with your statements nossy - 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM 891 Views
It's mostly nonsense Isaac - 14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM 798 Views
Well nossy - 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM 1010 Views
'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media Isaac - 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM 1004 Views
I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. nossy - 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM 1055 Views
Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. Isaac - 15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM 754 Views
I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad. nossy - 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM 711 Views
Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway Isaac - 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM 899 Views
Or shows it's time to quit. nossy - 15/08/2012 10:20:17 PM 1105 Views
Agreed Isaac - 15/08/2012 10:54:05 PM 671 Views
The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses. Joel - 14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM 830 Views
I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either. nossy - 14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM 880 Views
I see your point, but... ironclad - 14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM 652 Views
Well nossy - 14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM 837 Views
Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again? Tom - 21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM 659 Views
I honestly haven't decided. nossy - 21/08/2012 04:13:44 PM 1029 Views
Expanding our perspective does not improve our options much, sadly. Joel - 14/08/2012 04:23:48 PM 777 Views
None of that is that important. everynametaken - 14/08/2012 08:53:10 PM 832 Views
Agreed. *NM* Macharius - 15/08/2012 02:21:55 PM 475 Views
Bullshit Tom - 21/08/2012 01:46:42 PM 851 Views
This makes me more likely to vote R this year. Macharius - 15/08/2012 02:31:06 PM 749 Views
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