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Usually only in degree, not kind, though I mostly had the former in mind. Joel Send a noteboard - 12/08/2012 07:27:54 PM
I'm not sure if you're including both under the same heading but where I'm at people have about 70 elected officials each and on 2,4,and 6 year terms that makes for 20-25 people each general election, plus ballot issues, levies, the primaries and so on. There's nothing wrong with leaving a blank mark if you're looking at an Appellate Court race and you've got no clue who either is. I pull up a digital copy of my ballot in advance and research the people but even then I'll forget who is who sometimes and that wasn't an option till fairly recently, so I'd leave it blank. I do wish ballots would have a 'none' option on them to make me feel a bit safer about blanks if a recount comes up and to give a visual suggestion to people who don't know and feel weird about leaving it blank, but there's nothing wrong with leaving blanks, even on the presidency.

Most races usually have at least SOME clues to each candidates positions, even if only party affiliation (obviously that does not apply to strictly non-partisan races; I do wonder how third party candidates would fare if ballots did not list party affiliation.) I cannot fault people not voting in races on which they are wholly ignorant; I fault their easily eliminated ignorance, for which they are thus to blame. I share your support for a "none" option, because that would allow disaffected voters to register disapproval of all candidates in a meaningful way, rather than just conceding undesirable candidates default victories.

Now as for flat out non-voters, that really depends on their reasons. If its laziness then its one thing, but if they simply view themselves as not knowing enough and not having the time then I view them as having given me part of their vote. 850 odd reg voters in my own village, only 200-400 show up for most elections, the other 400-650 people divide their votes to me and the others, makes my vote locally worth 2 to 4 times as much. I research my stuff so my share of their vote is in good hands. We really shouldn't push at people to vote, we should stress that they should seek to be an informed voter and not hesitate to pass, on a single ballot issue especially, if they don't feel informed. Now strategically that's not such a good idea, as anyone doing a 'get out the vote' movement can effectively steal an election by pushing at people and giving them a one-sided take on things, but it still behooves us as a culture not to try to push the apathetic or lazy into making decisions for the rest of us. Rule by the people sounds nice, but rule by the voluntarily enthusiastic and informed people works better, IMHO.

Well, I am certainly not pushing uninformed voting; perhaps I give Americans too much credit, but voters informing themselves is implicit in my advocacy of voting. Their non-involvement certainly gives our votes greater weight though, hence I find it absurd to say criticizing non-voting is "denying their voice." Saying no one can hear those who voluntarily don, demand, muzzles is not silencing them, only acknowledging they silenced themselves. Saying one refuses to vote because of ignorance is like saying, "I only shot that guard because he tried to stop me robbing the bank." Either way, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

In this case we are not dealing with ignorant people afraid of creating signal noise, but supposedly knowledgeable people eagerly creating a different kind of signal noise. They do not lack knowledge or preferences, only refuse to voice either, then complain government does not listen to them. Politicians are just like everyone else: They pay little attention to those not speaking to them (particularly given all the others frequently and loudly speaking to them.)
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Paul Ryan is selected as Republican VP candidate - 11/08/2012 05:01:47 PM 1764 Views
Personally? No, I'm not voting Republican at all this year. - 11/08/2012 05:18:06 PM 805 Views
Ya know that narrative of the right getting further right is pretty ridicolous - 11/08/2012 06:43:44 PM 772 Views
it could possibly be the "all or nothing" budget fights and gay marriage among other things - 11/08/2012 08:19:11 PM 813 Views
Yeah, I forgot the Dems are very enlightened about gay marriage now for what? 2 Months? - 11/08/2012 08:59:17 PM 867 Views
+1 - Great post! *NM* - 12/08/2012 04:32:21 AM 504 Views
We're on a roll here Isaac. I agree with you again. - 12/08/2012 08:18:32 AM 820 Views
yet despite that, dems didn't put referenda and push bills discriminating against gay people - 12/08/2012 07:55:38 PM 894 Views
They certainly have, they've just done it less and less recently - 12/08/2012 09:39:53 PM 768 Views
Fred Phelps is 82 - 13/08/2012 01:28:01 AM 714 Views
So is Pat Robertson *NM* - 13/08/2012 02:41:28 AM 479 Views
They're not enlightened at all. - 21/08/2012 02:04:09 PM 979 Views
Agreed, but ya'll continue doing it anyway. - 11/08/2012 08:24:09 PM 806 Views
Thank you for making sense. - 12/08/2012 08:01:53 AM 775 Views
voting third party is a good idea - 11/08/2012 08:15:41 PM 791 Views
I'm sorry, but anyone that votes for Obama after the past 3 and 1/2 years is a moron..... - 12/08/2012 03:30:47 AM 715 Views
If you are proud of not voting, please shut up: The adults have a country to run. - 12/08/2012 04:11:49 AM 737 Views
Candidates have to earn my vote - I'm not a slave like you to the 2 party system. - 12/08/2012 04:24:02 AM 879 Views
Who said anything about the two-party system? - 12/08/2012 04:29:36 AM 711 Views
No offense intended, but voting third party is as stupid as not voting. - 12/08/2012 04:42:28 AM 960 Views
I strongly disagree. - 12/08/2012 05:11:52 AM 798 Views
as the saying goes "the lesser of two evils is still evil" - 12/08/2012 08:06:20 PM 784 Views
Nice asshatery. - 12/08/2012 07:56:57 AM 953 Views
Wouldn't you love to have a "none of the above" option..... - 12/08/2012 03:36:54 PM 726 Views
Or you could use a PR system and act like responsible adults. *NM* - 12/08/2012 05:47:14 PM 388 Views
Not voting sends no message but "we will let politicians do as they please." - 12/08/2012 05:12:55 PM 1151 Views
Well there's a difference between not voting at all and not voting in one race - 12/08/2012 05:55:47 PM 891 Views
Usually only in degree, not kind, though I mostly had the former in mind. - 12/08/2012 07:27:54 PM 842 Views
+1 - Good post. Joel is off the deep end, once again. *NM* - 12/08/2012 07:42:23 PM 508 Views
Oh dear. - 11/08/2012 06:26:07 PM 767 Views
I'm happy with it, I like Ryan - 11/08/2012 06:47:21 PM 788 Views
What a shock. - 11/08/2012 08:18:35 PM 909 Views
Re: What a shock. - 11/08/2012 08:51:12 PM 882 Views
ryan isn't going to help rmoney win wisconsin - 11/08/2012 08:21:27 PM 884 Views
Picking Ryan was an olive branch to the GOP rank and file. - 11/08/2012 08:05:41 PM 1001 Views
definitely a bold pick but not going to help him enough in november - 11/08/2012 08:27:59 PM 815 Views
Who cares? He's hot. - 11/08/2012 11:53:42 PM 973 Views
So are you a fan of David Cameron? - 12/08/2012 12:12:50 AM 645 Views
Lol. Nice one. *NM* - 12/08/2012 08:22:01 AM 439 Views
- 13/08/2012 03:31:38 PM 856 Views
Wonderful choice! Truly wonderful.....check the video. - 12/08/2012 03:22:48 AM 710 Views
Nice video. - 12/08/2012 06:52:59 PM 812 Views
Can you explain your fascination with Ryans ideas, please? - 13/08/2012 04:08:35 AM 765 Views
No, it doesn't change my opinion any - 12/08/2012 07:50:21 AM 897 Views
I hear even the DNC has rejected its TN Senate nominee. - 12/08/2012 05:46:37 PM 804 Views
Yes, they disavowed him - 12/08/2012 08:00:33 PM 801 Views
Does not work in the US - 13/08/2012 01:17:58 AM 756 Views
We do not need most of the populace to cast protest votes, only most voters. - 13/08/2012 01:33:41 AM 716 Views
Your distinction misses my greater point - 13/08/2012 01:51:26 AM 765 Views
*shrugs* Vote absentee then. - 13/08/2012 02:28:32 AM 787 Views
I was going to vote Romney anyway, so no, it doesn't change anything. - 12/08/2012 10:39:15 PM 797 Views
But I'm guessing you're glad with Ryan? Prefer him over the alternatives? Or not? - 12/08/2012 10:49:35 PM 954 Views
I disagree - 13/08/2012 12:52:07 AM 817 Views
Bloomberg has imploded - 13/08/2012 07:12:56 PM 718 Views
Bloomberg has become a national laughingstock. - 13/08/2012 08:13:24 PM 806 Views
Not as much as either Obama or Romney, surely. - 13/08/2012 08:23:41 PM 793 Views
Makes sense for you. You are Romney's target audience. - 13/08/2012 01:19:26 PM 730 Views
What should Obama have done? - 13/08/2012 07:31:23 PM 760 Views
And how much of that do you expect from Romney? - 14/08/2012 10:21:33 AM 1086 Views
Certainly more than from Obama. - 16/08/2012 12:00:19 AM 700 Views
Mmm, Objectivism. Another reason for me to vote Obama. - 12/08/2012 11:00:34 PM 880 Views
But doesn't he say he detests Rand? - 12/08/2012 11:53:47 PM 623 Views
Link to audio of Paul Ryans address to The Atlas Society. - 13/08/2012 03:37:27 AM 925 Views
Or you could have just read my response which posted prior to yours - 13/08/2012 01:45:07 PM 696 Views
Sorry, I completely missed your link. - 13/08/2012 03:09:11 PM 819 Views
Don't get me wrong - 13/08/2012 12:53:10 AM 735 Views
Actually I believe he promised to vote for Romney if I did - 13/08/2012 03:48:35 AM 875 Views
What an amusing retrospective. - 13/08/2012 04:20:02 AM 889 Views
Uh... how exactly did you get to spending and budget timelines? - 13/08/2012 04:59:45 AM 719 Views
Tangentially, of course. - 13/08/2012 05:08:18 AM 756 Views
I tried reading it again, but my eyes glazed over when you started babbling about lesbian covens. - 14/08/2012 12:30:03 AM 666 Views
It was a hyperbolic reference to the extreme left (one stolen from Matt Groening, btw.) - 14/08/2012 10:12:09 AM 738 Views
Interesting. - 14/08/2012 11:34:30 AM 809 Views
They have a pill for that now. - 14/08/2012 01:14:39 PM 848 Views
I'm pretty sure the solution is you learning elementary composition. *NM* - 15/08/2012 11:33:57 PM 511 Views
Your willful reading incomprehension is neither my fault nor problem. - 16/08/2012 07:40:46 PM 804 Views
I don't think you can succinctly do anything. *NM* - 16/08/2012 09:33:38 PM 519 Views
I just did. - 16/08/2012 09:36:21 PM 794 Views
EDIT: ACK! Hoist on my own petard! - 14/08/2012 12:25:27 AM 747 Views
No birth control, no right to choose, no planned parenthood? - 13/08/2012 01:58:51 PM 669 Views
They are really doing a public service that way. *NM* - 13/08/2012 02:26:39 PM 357 Views
I agree with your statements - 14/08/2012 12:53:41 AM 889 Views
It's mostly nonsense - 14/08/2012 04:46:11 AM 798 Views
Well - 14/08/2012 02:54:06 PM 1009 Views
'Nonsense' refers to the thing said about the religious right by the media - 14/08/2012 04:01:47 PM 1002 Views
I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. - 14/08/2012 06:30:23 PM 1054 Views
Re: I'm wondering if "belittles" is the wrong word. - 15/08/2012 01:45:59 AM 752 Views
I have to keep this short, because I am on the iPad. - 15/08/2012 05:38:48 AM 711 Views
Triple reply chain is usually a good point for the trim-edit anyway - 15/08/2012 05:27:20 PM 897 Views
Or shows it's time to quit. - 15/08/2012 10:20:17 PM 1104 Views
Agreed - 15/08/2012 10:54:05 PM 670 Views
The question, as for Tom, is what you believe Romney would improve for small businesses. - 14/08/2012 01:38:29 PM 830 Views
I am aware of that, thank you. And I don't distill my choice down to small business, either. - 14/08/2012 02:24:24 PM 880 Views
I see your point, but... - 14/08/2012 02:30:22 PM 652 Views
Well - 14/08/2012 03:09:18 PM 836 Views
Are you really going to let Obama con you into voting for him again? - 21/08/2012 02:00:06 PM 658 Views
I honestly haven't decided. - 21/08/2012 04:13:44 PM 1029 Views
None of that is that important. - 14/08/2012 08:53:10 PM 832 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 15/08/2012 02:21:55 PM 475 Views
Bullshit - 21/08/2012 01:46:42 PM 851 Views
This makes me more likely to vote R this year. - 15/08/2012 02:31:06 PM 748 Views

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