You understand you're not making coherent sense man. I don't mean I disagree with you logic or your view, I mean you sound like you're saying 'this pitcher of water has 5 yards in it'
It is fairly simple causal chain: 1) Person A says x about Person B. 2) Person B says that could get them shot. 3) Person B is shot.
Alex says "Bob is not a nice guy", Bob says "You could get me shot.", Bob is sitting somewhere months later and gets shot. It is now necessary to show that 1) Alex's comment was in anyway heard by the shooter and influenced them. At this point you will have established causation, this by no means indicates the person is legally or morally responsible for those acts, but without even that much, accusing Alex of being in anyway culpable for the shooter's acts is irresponsible and immoral.
I fail to see how 3) makes 2) "blood" or any other libel, rather than a perfectly rational observation. Again, anyone who disagrees is free to sue Giffords for libel if they think it will make Palin look better. Though I would think the last thing any Ohioan wants right now is another lawsuit over the political process....
Giffords has not repeated the claim, and her comment was "We're in Sarah Palin's 'targeted' list, but the thing is that the way she has it depicted, we're in the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they've got to realize that there are consequences to that action."
That is not libel or slander, but she also never predicted a shooting, just consequences, had she actually said "She is intentionally encouraging people to kill me" then yes, that could be cause for a defamation suit. Absent that its merely empty political rhetoric from a congress person who was shot a good while later. Public figures are often shot, threatened, or attacked, and they often make reckless or nasty remarks about their opposition. I am not accusing Giffords of libel, I'm accusing you of it, your comments are reckless and contemptible Joel.
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Mosque Burned in Missouri ; Sikh Temple attacked...I hope this doesnt encourage copycats.....
06/08/2012 09:05:00 PM
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Government cannot surveill/infiltrate/arrest violent white supremacists: That would be racist.
08/08/2012 08:11:24 PM
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Joel Joel Joel, I see they still haven't found a cure for crazy.
08/08/2012 08:39:04 PM
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Giffords made the allegation against Palin; feel free to tell her she was NOT subsequently shot.
09/08/2012 01:33:50 AM
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You're seriously blaming Palin for Loughner? That's so absurdly debunked at every level *NM*
09/08/2012 02:30:21 AM
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Again, I believe Gabrielle Giffords made that connection, about a year before it was proven valid.
09/08/2012 02:50:10 AM
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Okay, that's bullshit
09/08/2012 02:53:46 AM
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She suggested putting a crosshairs on her district endangered her life; that is now hard to dispute.
09/08/2012 03:50:13 AM
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Easy to dispute. Did Loughner claim to have seen it? Did Christian Bale cause Colorado?
09/08/2012 05:47:59 AM
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Has Loughner said much of anything? Did Christian Bale put a target on CO?
09/08/2012 06:11:17 AM
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Do you realize how crazy you sound?
09/08/2012 10:31:16 PM
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I love how you and rt keep calling me (and, by extension, Giffords, whom I am quoting) crazy.
09/08/2012 11:00:35 PM
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If the shoe fits Joel
10/08/2012 12:11:44 AM
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"If the shoe fits" is precisely my point.
10/08/2012 12:18:17 AM
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Did you lose all ability to make raitonal arguments while you were away?
10/08/2012 01:21:08 AM
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No.
10/08/2012 02:09:26 AM
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Yeah, you really are
10/08/2012 02:27:25 AM
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person A say B and then C happens that doesn't B was correct even if had similarities to C
10/08/2012 04:26:27 AM
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You believe whatever fits your world view reggardless of facts
09/08/2012 04:49:39 AM
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If you insist on blaming the victim, do it to her face.
09/08/2012 06:09:45 AM
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OK Joel connect the dots for so I grasp your version of reality
09/08/2012 03:08:00 PM
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A: Palin puts crosshairs on Giffords' district. B:Giffords says it endangers her. C:Giffords is shot
09/08/2012 06:35:56 PM
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No Joel I was calling you a Ghoul but I take that as admission that you cannot tie the two together
09/08/2012 08:39:44 PM
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I linked them in the subject line: It was that easy.
09/08/2012 10:37:53 PM
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No Joel you and Harry Reid need to learnt that baseless claims don't have to be disproven
10/08/2012 04:13:38 AM
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To play a little Devil's Advocate:
09/08/2012 07:39:40 PM
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How would that work?
09/08/2012 10:25:25 PM
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Re: How would that work?
10/08/2012 12:15:53 AM
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I read on Twitter where they raised enough money to pay for rebuilding costs in two days
10/08/2012 07:39:31 AM
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