Palin had nothing to with her shooting regardless of the fact that Giffords played politics with the issue before she was shot. And no being shot for another reason doesn't mean she was right and take a serious break from reality to believe otherwise. Crying wolf doesn’t mean shit if you get eaten by a bear. The left truly has come unhinged.
Saying, "I am afraid of getting shot," is not playing politics if you ACTUALLY GET SHOT! Why is that so hard to grasp?
How do we know that Giffords saying, "I am afraid of getting shot," didn't lead to the shooting? Wouldn't that be just as likely to inspire a crazed gunman as crosshairs on a map?
I pretend no comprehension of insanity, but would not think so, and Palin putting crosshairs on her district still prompted Giffords' comment, so the source would be unchanged. Regardless, what would be the "logic"? A crazed liberal partisan shooting one of their own representatives to substantiate criticism of Palin?
I don't actually blame the victim, and I'm not trying to say she was asking for it. But I don't think Palin was intentionally trying to get Giffords shot, nor do I think that Palin thought it was even a real possibility. Crosshairs on a district would strike me as "this is our next goal," or "this is where we're aiming to win," even if it was the district I was currently representing. I'd have a hard time seeing it as a call for an assassination.
I also do not think Palin intended Giffords be shot, or considered the possibility someone would take her graphic to advocate that, but the latter is precisely the problem: She did NOT consider that possibility, even though it was plausible enough Giffords DID, immediately. It was obvious irresponsible negligence, yet Palin not only never realized that, but remains too busy denying even the POSSIBILITY to realize it despite undeniable subsequent evidence.
At the risk of partisanship, it speaks poorly of the "personal responsibility" party to accept, let alone embrace, such leaders. Of course, if Palin and Co. had more empathy and consideration for how their behavior affects neighbors they might not be Republicans. If a party leader puts crosshairs on opponents' districts, an opponent says it could endanger her and is subsequently shot, the RESPONSIBLE thing is to disavow the shooting and discontinue the imagery, not indignantly publicly accuse the victim of "blood libel." Pardon my saying so, but that is a bit self absorbed and short sighted for a would-be national leader.
At the time, rt noted someone (Kos, IIRC) similarly using bullseyes: Just as dangerously irresponsible (another of many reasons to avoid Kos, IMHO.) That people on both sides do it makes it worse, not better. Hoffa Jr. publicly calling unions as an "army" to "take out" the Tea Party in "war" does not excuse Rick Perry chiding an IA rally for not physically assaulting the visiting Fed Chairman: Both are inexcusable. The latter was so indefensible it prompted the bizarre but amusing spectacle of RON PAUL (of all people) DEFENDING THE FED CHAIRMAN (though I personally think he was just continuing his primary-long role as Romneys attack dog.) Since Brandenburg v. OH, the SCOTUS says publicly inciting murder is (somehow) legal; that does not make it desirable, much less acceptable, in national leaders.
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This message last edited by Joel on 09/08/2012 at 10:30:08 PM
Mosque Burned in Missouri ; Sikh Temple attacked...I hope this doesnt encourage copycats.....
06/08/2012 09:05:00 PM
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Government cannot surveill/infiltrate/arrest violent white supremacists: That would be racist.
08/08/2012 08:11:24 PM
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Joel Joel Joel, I see they still haven't found a cure for crazy.
08/08/2012 08:39:04 PM
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Giffords made the allegation against Palin; feel free to tell her she was NOT subsequently shot.
09/08/2012 01:33:50 AM
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You're seriously blaming Palin for Loughner? That's so absurdly debunked at every level *NM*
09/08/2012 02:30:21 AM
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Again, I believe Gabrielle Giffords made that connection, about a year before it was proven valid.
09/08/2012 02:50:10 AM
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Okay, that's bullshit
09/08/2012 02:53:46 AM
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She suggested putting a crosshairs on her district endangered her life; that is now hard to dispute.
09/08/2012 03:50:13 AM
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Easy to dispute. Did Loughner claim to have seen it? Did Christian Bale cause Colorado?
09/08/2012 05:47:59 AM
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Has Loughner said much of anything? Did Christian Bale put a target on CO?
09/08/2012 06:11:17 AM
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Do you realize how crazy you sound?
09/08/2012 10:31:16 PM
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I love how you and rt keep calling me (and, by extension, Giffords, whom I am quoting) crazy.
09/08/2012 11:00:35 PM
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If the shoe fits Joel
10/08/2012 12:11:44 AM
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"If the shoe fits" is precisely my point.
10/08/2012 12:18:17 AM
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Did you lose all ability to make raitonal arguments while you were away?
10/08/2012 01:21:08 AM
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No.
10/08/2012 02:09:26 AM
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person A say B and then C happens that doesn't B was correct even if had similarities to C
10/08/2012 04:26:27 AM
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You believe whatever fits your world view reggardless of facts
09/08/2012 04:49:39 AM
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If you insist on blaming the victim, do it to her face.
09/08/2012 06:09:45 AM
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OK Joel connect the dots for so I grasp your version of reality
09/08/2012 03:08:00 PM
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A: Palin puts crosshairs on Giffords' district. B:Giffords says it endangers her. C:Giffords is shot
09/08/2012 06:35:56 PM
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No Joel I was calling you a Ghoul but I take that as admission that you cannot tie the two together
09/08/2012 08:39:44 PM
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I linked them in the subject line: It was that easy.
09/08/2012 10:37:53 PM
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No Joel you and Harry Reid need to learnt that baseless claims don't have to be disproven
10/08/2012 04:13:38 AM
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To play a little Devil's Advocate:
09/08/2012 07:39:40 PM
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How would that work?
09/08/2012 10:25:25 PM
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Re: How would that work?
10/08/2012 12:15:53 AM
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I read on Twitter where they raised enough money to pay for rebuilding costs in two days
10/08/2012 07:39:31 AM
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