If they advocate violence, I see no problem monitoring them.
Joel Send a noteboard - 08/08/2012 08:22:20 PM
I wonder if the shooter in the Sikh temple confused the Sikh community for Muslims because of the turbans..or if he just wanted to kill "foreigners"....either way...two attacks on minorities in 24 hours. Since the Shooter in the Sikh mosque was a white supremacist, I wonder if the FBI and Homeland Security are going to step up their efforts to phone tap, infiltrate, and monitor white supremacy hate groups in this country to prevent further attacks.
This stuff makes my skin crawl 10X worse.
It is not exactly unprecedented; the FBI and other government agencies have infiltrated and surveilled the Klan, Black Panthers and similar groups for decades. They did it with US Al Qaeda operatives well before 911; my only regret is that better inter-agency coordination would have been prevented 911. The SCOTUS has been very clear there is no First Amendment right to falsely shout, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater.
We are not talking about government surveilling EVERYONE (at least I am not,) only people with documented histories of advocating and/or committing violence. I would certainly never support fishing expeditions through everyones private life, without evidence (e.g. the "USA PATRIOT" Acts warrantless wiretaps.) Yet disputing that "those with nothing to hide have nothing to fear," is not the same as disputing that "those with exposed crimes should be free of scrutiny." It is similar to the difference between saying, "no one should have a gun," and saying, "no one proven a criminal and/or mentally ill should have a gun."
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This message last edited by Joel on 08/08/2012 at 08:23:47 PM
Mosque Burned in Missouri ; Sikh Temple attacked...I hope this doesnt encourage copycats.....
06/08/2012 09:05:00 PM
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As much as I oppose racial supremacy movements...
07/08/2012 09:42:36 PM
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If they advocate violence, I see no problem monitoring them.
08/08/2012 08:22:20 PM
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Government cannot surveill/infiltrate/arrest violent white supremacists: That would be racist.
08/08/2012 08:11:24 PM
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Joel Joel Joel, I see they still haven't found a cure for crazy.
08/08/2012 08:39:04 PM
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Giffords made the allegation against Palin; feel free to tell her she was NOT subsequently shot.
09/08/2012 01:33:50 AM
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You're seriously blaming Palin for Loughner? That's so absurdly debunked at every level *NM*
09/08/2012 02:30:21 AM
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Again, I believe Gabrielle Giffords made that connection, about a year before it was proven valid.
09/08/2012 02:50:10 AM
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Okay, that's bullshit
09/08/2012 02:53:46 AM
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She suggested putting a crosshairs on her district endangered her life; that is now hard to dispute.
09/08/2012 03:50:13 AM
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Easy to dispute. Did Loughner claim to have seen it? Did Christian Bale cause Colorado?
09/08/2012 05:47:59 AM
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Has Loughner said much of anything? Did Christian Bale put a target on CO?
09/08/2012 06:11:17 AM
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Do you realize how crazy you sound?
09/08/2012 10:31:16 PM
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I love how you and rt keep calling me (and, by extension, Giffords, whom I am quoting) crazy.
09/08/2012 11:00:35 PM
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If the shoe fits Joel
10/08/2012 12:11:44 AM
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"If the shoe fits" is precisely my point.
10/08/2012 12:18:17 AM
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Did you lose all ability to make raitonal arguments while you were away?
10/08/2012 01:21:08 AM
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No.
10/08/2012 02:09:26 AM
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person A say B and then C happens that doesn't B was correct even if had similarities to C
10/08/2012 04:26:27 AM
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You believe whatever fits your world view reggardless of facts
09/08/2012 04:49:39 AM
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If you insist on blaming the victim, do it to her face.
09/08/2012 06:09:45 AM
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OK Joel connect the dots for so I grasp your version of reality
09/08/2012 03:08:00 PM
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A: Palin puts crosshairs on Giffords' district. B:Giffords says it endangers her. C:Giffords is shot
09/08/2012 06:35:56 PM
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No Joel I was calling you a Ghoul but I take that as admission that you cannot tie the two together
09/08/2012 08:39:44 PM
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I linked them in the subject line: It was that easy.
09/08/2012 10:37:53 PM
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No Joel you and Harry Reid need to learnt that baseless claims don't have to be disproven
10/08/2012 04:13:38 AM
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To play a little Devil's Advocate:
09/08/2012 07:39:40 PM
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How would that work?
09/08/2012 10:25:25 PM
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Re: How would that work?
10/08/2012 12:15:53 AM
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I read on Twitter where they raised enough money to pay for rebuilding costs in two days
10/08/2012 07:39:31 AM
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