Government cannot surveill/infiltrate/arrest violent white supremacists: That would be racist.
Joel Send a noteboard - 08/08/2012 08:11:24 PM
You may (or may not) recall the Obama administration announcing it would do just that with violent far right groups (including, but hardly limited to, white supremacists) in the first months of his term, only to meet backlash from conservatives accusing him of creating a thought police or imposing martial law. Recalling headlines from years since, I would say that backlash successfully prevented any government action to protect the public from violent bigots.
The most practical advice for anyone not a straight male WASP is probably "Buy a gun and apply for a concealed weapon permit and/or move to a state allowing open-carry." Government cannot prevent even the dangerously deranged getting a pair of guns (so their imaginary friend has one, too, ) leaving the general public no defense from inevitable attacks except returning fire. Remember, when Gabrielle Giffords said Sarah Palin putting a crosshairs on her district endangered her life, then got shot, the crime was Giffords "blood-libeling" Palin.
In America, shooting someone over politics is more acceptable than objections to BEING shot, so if someone comes after you with a gun shooting back is more valid than complaining. Far right gun advocates (rather than gun advocates generally) insist guns are the only defense from bigots and/or nuts with guns. If their words are unconvincing, their behavior, both in opposing laws to keep criminals and the mentally ill from getting guns and less savory behavior, is quite compelling.
A blind fool could have seen the Joplin arson coming, because the outcry against that Muslim center made criticism of the "Ground Zero Mosque" look tame by comparison. Just a few weeks ago the "Votemaster" over at Electoralvote.com noted the Democratic and Republican nominees for a MO US House seat were competing in campaign ads over which most forcefully opposed the Joplin religious center, notwithstanding the fact 2010 redistricting moved the center to a wholly different constituency. Apparently the point is now moot; the only silver lining is that neither candidate should be able to blame the other for the arson (though I would not be surprised if both tried) since both have vehemently and repeatedly condemned the center.
The most practical advice for anyone not a straight male WASP is probably "Buy a gun and apply for a concealed weapon permit and/or move to a state allowing open-carry." Government cannot prevent even the dangerously deranged getting a pair of guns (so their imaginary friend has one, too, ) leaving the general public no defense from inevitable attacks except returning fire. Remember, when Gabrielle Giffords said Sarah Palin putting a crosshairs on her district endangered her life, then got shot, the crime was Giffords "blood-libeling" Palin.
In America, shooting someone over politics is more acceptable than objections to BEING shot, so if someone comes after you with a gun shooting back is more valid than complaining. Far right gun advocates (rather than gun advocates generally) insist guns are the only defense from bigots and/or nuts with guns. If their words are unconvincing, their behavior, both in opposing laws to keep criminals and the mentally ill from getting guns and less savory behavior, is quite compelling.
A blind fool could have seen the Joplin arson coming, because the outcry against that Muslim center made criticism of the "Ground Zero Mosque" look tame by comparison. Just a few weeks ago the "Votemaster" over at Electoralvote.com noted the Democratic and Republican nominees for a MO US House seat were competing in campaign ads over which most forcefully opposed the Joplin religious center, notwithstanding the fact 2010 redistricting moved the center to a wholly different constituency. Apparently the point is now moot; the only silver lining is that neither candidate should be able to blame the other for the arson (though I would not be surprised if both tried) since both have vehemently and repeatedly condemned the center.
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Mosque Burned in Missouri ; Sikh Temple attacked...I hope this doesnt encourage copycats.....
06/08/2012 09:05:00 PM
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Government cannot surveill/infiltrate/arrest violent white supremacists: That would be racist.
08/08/2012 08:11:24 PM
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Joel Joel Joel, I see they still haven't found a cure for crazy.
08/08/2012 08:39:04 PM
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Giffords made the allegation against Palin; feel free to tell her she was NOT subsequently shot.
09/08/2012 01:33:50 AM
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You're seriously blaming Palin for Loughner? That's so absurdly debunked at every level *NM*
09/08/2012 02:30:21 AM
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Again, I believe Gabrielle Giffords made that connection, about a year before it was proven valid.
09/08/2012 02:50:10 AM
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Okay, that's bullshit
09/08/2012 02:53:46 AM
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She suggested putting a crosshairs on her district endangered her life; that is now hard to dispute.
09/08/2012 03:50:13 AM
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Easy to dispute. Did Loughner claim to have seen it? Did Christian Bale cause Colorado?
09/08/2012 05:47:59 AM
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Has Loughner said much of anything? Did Christian Bale put a target on CO?
09/08/2012 06:11:17 AM
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Do you realize how crazy you sound?
09/08/2012 10:31:16 PM
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I love how you and rt keep calling me (and, by extension, Giffords, whom I am quoting) crazy.
09/08/2012 11:00:35 PM
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If the shoe fits Joel
10/08/2012 12:11:44 AM
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"If the shoe fits" is precisely my point.
10/08/2012 12:18:17 AM
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Did you lose all ability to make raitonal arguments while you were away?
10/08/2012 01:21:08 AM
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No.
10/08/2012 02:09:26 AM
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person A say B and then C happens that doesn't B was correct even if had similarities to C
10/08/2012 04:26:27 AM
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You believe whatever fits your world view reggardless of facts
09/08/2012 04:49:39 AM
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If you insist on blaming the victim, do it to her face.
09/08/2012 06:09:45 AM
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OK Joel connect the dots for so I grasp your version of reality
09/08/2012 03:08:00 PM
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A: Palin puts crosshairs on Giffords' district. B:Giffords says it endangers her. C:Giffords is shot
09/08/2012 06:35:56 PM
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No Joel I was calling you a Ghoul but I take that as admission that you cannot tie the two together
09/08/2012 08:39:44 PM
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I linked them in the subject line: It was that easy.
09/08/2012 10:37:53 PM
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No Joel you and Harry Reid need to learnt that baseless claims don't have to be disproven
10/08/2012 04:13:38 AM
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To play a little Devil's Advocate:
09/08/2012 07:39:40 PM
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How would that work?
09/08/2012 10:25:25 PM
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Re: How would that work?
10/08/2012 12:15:53 AM
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I read on Twitter where they raised enough money to pay for rebuilding costs in two days
10/08/2012 07:39:31 AM
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