Although of course only the Thursday of Ascension is an actual public holiday, the Friday is taken off by many people, institutions and companies too, and then the weekend of the week after is Pentecost with the Monday off.
Same result though; Thursday was a federal holiday, and pretty much no one showed up on Friday, so: Four day weekend.
In here we have Easter Monday, Ascension, Pentecost Monday, Mary's Ascension on August 15th, All Saints and then Christmas Day - though few people work on either Christmas Eve (at least not in the afternoon) or Boxing Day, either.
However, religious holidays of other formally recognized religions are accepted, too - just not as official public holidays, I guess, in the sense that only companies or institutions with primarily or exclusively employees of the religion in question will be closed, and in the sense that Muslim or Jewish employees wishing to work on Christian public holidays will have a rather hard time doing that in their office or usual workplace.
However, religious holidays of other formally recognized religions are accepted, too - just not as official public holidays, I guess, in the sense that only companies or institutions with primarily or exclusively employees of the religion in question will be closed, and in the sense that Muslim or Jewish employees wishing to work on Christian public holidays will have a rather hard time doing that in their office or usual workplace.
That is the sort of thing I had in mind: It seems at least marginally discriminatory. Really, it means those of non-Christian religions are expected to work on even their holiest days, and unable to work on Christian ones unless they happen to work for the minority of private employers who share their religion. Meanwhile, their Christian co-workers not only receive exclusive special treatment from Christian employers, but from the very government their taxes support and their votes nominally determine.
Maybe I just imprinted too heavily on minority rights as a limit to majority rule, but that seems a little odd, and a little wrong. I am all for observing Christianity, but distinct from the government; again, I support that if only to prevent state CONTROLLED religion, as the recent change in Norwegian law intends. After all, I was just last month treated to the annual spectacle of "civil confirmation" (as/to what I am still unsure) yet have already witnessed two federal religious holidays in the short time since.
This country definitely doesn't have separation of church and state in a very strict way... we (and most other European countries) just violate it in entirely different ways than the US does, is all. Although I have to admit that the state paying the wages of priests/rabbis/imams is a fairly extreme violation of said separation, alright...
Until recently I do not think the US violated it much, at least not explicitly; most ultimately religious laws at least maintained a facade of some additional secular benefit/necessity (though, once pinned down, those benefits/necessities often turned out to be religiously motivated.) Prohibition and abolition are good examples; in both cases activists successfully argued for laws against things they insisted harmed the public, on the basis of religious views they often invoked, but the arguments, and their success, were ultimately from the alleged public harm rather than religion itself.
It is only since the rise of the so-called self-proclaimed "Moral Majority" (and their usurping the Southern Baptist Convention for purely political reasons, purging anyone and everyone who did not share their agenda) that things have gotten really heavy-handed. I doubt even William Jennings Bryan would have questioned the First Amendments non-establishment clause, but those who declare themselves his modern heirs consider its repudiation part of their catechism, and are thus not only reluctant but eager to undermine it. So we end up with a bunch of contemporary Puritans who view anything and everything through the lens of their personal religious views (or think they do; more often they view everything through religion in turn viewed through politics.)
I agree taxpayer funded religious officers is a bit extreme, but the devil is the details, so to speak. It might even be legal in the US, provided it was merely a policy rather than an official law and/or did not formally "establish" any religion(s,) but only implicitly subsidized one or more of them. Nothing is ever simple in government, which perhaps is the best explanation for the incongruity continually perplexing me.
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This message last edited by Joel on 28/05/2012 at 02:59:05 AM
For Our Nordmenn: What Happens to Federal Religious Holidays in the Absence of a State Church?
27/05/2012 01:33:20 PM
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Nothing, they are federal holidays still because of strong unions, not religion
27/05/2012 06:58:52 PM
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Hypocrisy FTW, eh?
27/05/2012 11:04:38 PM
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No.
27/05/2012 11:16:11 PM
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Again, some people manifestly care; just not enough to relinquish a paid holiday.
28/05/2012 01:48:26 AM
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Nothing.
27/05/2012 07:03:07 PM
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Replacing it with another, secular, holiday seems the responsible thing to do.
27/05/2012 11:15:11 PM
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People. Don't. Care.
27/05/2012 11:29:07 PM
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If people did not care, disestablishmentarianism (and its antithesis) would not exist.
28/05/2012 01:41:18 AM
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Most of them are stolen from heden traditions and have nothing to do with christianity.
27/05/2012 07:15:55 PM
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Since two resident history buffs recently excoriated me for that claim, I have no wish to revisit it
27/05/2012 11:27:13 PM
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Thanksgiving isn't a religious holiday.
27/05/2012 08:43:58 PM
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That is rather debatable.
28/05/2012 12:08:53 AM
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The Distinction
29/05/2012 07:41:47 PM
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Thanksgiving was a purely federal institution. FDR dictated the date it's celebrated
30/05/2012 03:22:09 AM
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That distinction would be an almost wholly Roman Catholic (or possibly Greek Orthodox) one.
01/06/2012 01:47:12 AM
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How do you come to four for Canada?
27/05/2012 11:29:57 PM
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Because I counted Thankgiving, and holidays for federal employees rather than just statutory ones.
28/05/2012 02:03:55 AM
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Re: Because I counted Thankgiving, and holidays for federal employees rather...
28/05/2012 04:31:14 AM
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Well, you know better than I, but I found the 1580s date interesting.
28/05/2012 04:08:31 PM
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Re: Well, you no better than I, but I found the 1580s date interesting.
29/05/2012 01:15:52 AM
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Ireland has a tonne of religious public holidays yet no state religion.
28/05/2012 12:48:55 AM
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I wondered how that would shake out for the rest of Europe, or at least Western Europe.
28/05/2012 02:29:16 AM
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This succession of two long weekends is rather nice, yes.
28/05/2012 01:41:05 AM
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I think Grunnlovsdagen ate Ascension Day.
28/05/2012 02:57:27 AM
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It's funny how you use "federal" to mean "mandated by national government".
28/05/2012 03:49:17 PM
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I was thinking more "central" government, but OK.
28/05/2012 04:26:38 PM
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Re: I was thinking more "central" government, but OK.
28/05/2012 04:50:32 PM
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Re: I was thinking more "central" government, but OK.
01/06/2012 02:03:40 AM
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I think you've got the Scotland Act backwards.
01/06/2012 09:48:36 AM
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There's a lot of countries that call "devolution" federalism, though.
01/06/2012 09:52:23 PM
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What about when most of the country is still under central control?
02/06/2012 10:25:47 AM
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