To whom or what are thanks given on Thankgiving if not a deity or deities? The first generally recognized American Thanksgiving, after all, was organized by religious separatists who considered ANYTHING distinct from religion a sin of frivolity; their principle difference from the Puritans was in formally separating from rather than merely reforming the "corrupt" Anglican Church (the trouble with reformations is, some people refuse to ever STOP. ) There is also the matter of the first US declaration of a federal Thanksgiving Day, in which President Washington "established" it "as a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favours of Almighty God." It may have acquired a secular tone for many since, but that no more makes it a non-religious holiday than Scandinavians skipping church makes Holy Week one.
Oh, I get that; many people get Good Friday (at least) as an unofficial holiday, or even one officially recognized by their employer. However, there is a great and fundamental difference between a private entity acknowledging a religious holiday and a government publicly, explicitly, doing so. Chik-Fil-A is closed every Sunday so employees can attend church, but it is not a First Amendment issue, because they are not a public organ.
Likewise, there is a difference between public or private employers granting employees a requisite number of vacation days (explicitly stating any or all may be devoted to recognized religious holidays) versus a taxpayer supported-and-servicing public institution ceasing all operation to observe a religious holiday it declares such. If memory serves, Good Friday is a "vacation day" of the former sort for TX state employees, but anyone who already expended their vacation and sick days better be at work.
I realize little is likely to change, partly because this is less a case of the state ceasing to support than of ceasing to nominally control the church, and also because (as others have noted) there would be blood in the streets if unions had to relinquish a paid holiday. In fact, much of Norways public workforce has been on strike most, if not all, of this week, either seeking better terms or in solidarity with those doing so, and will remain so into next week unless their demands are met. No doubt the date was chosen deliberately, since all public offices are closed tomorrow anyway, and the teachers are pretty much done for the year anyway (though public aspects of the tourist industry felt the strike keenly this weekend.) I am just continually struck by the irony in the least religious industrialized states having the most religious holidays, while the most religious ones have the least such holidays.
As far as I'm aware, the United States has only one religious holiday that is a Federal holiday - Christmas Day. You get Milk Day, Presidents' Day, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor Day, Thanksgiving and New Year's Day. The mailmen get a few other days off as well, like Veterans' Day and Columbus Day, but that's about it.
However, don't forget that the US may be religious as a nation, but our government is rabidly secular (perhaps for that reason). If they tried to make Easter Monday a holiday you would see a massive outcry among other groups, though of course no one bats an eyelash here in NY if Jewish people are just absent on Jewish holidays (which usually comes out to half the month of September, a few days in December and then a few more days around Easter - I don't think they take off for Shavuot or Purim, though).
However, don't forget that the US may be religious as a nation, but our government is rabidly secular (perhaps for that reason). If they tried to make Easter Monday a holiday you would see a massive outcry among other groups, though of course no one bats an eyelash here in NY if Jewish people are just absent on Jewish holidays (which usually comes out to half the month of September, a few days in December and then a few more days around Easter - I don't think they take off for Shavuot or Purim, though).
Oh, I get that; many people get Good Friday (at least) as an unofficial holiday, or even one officially recognized by their employer. However, there is a great and fundamental difference between a private entity acknowledging a religious holiday and a government publicly, explicitly, doing so. Chik-Fil-A is closed every Sunday so employees can attend church, but it is not a First Amendment issue, because they are not a public organ.
Likewise, there is a difference between public or private employers granting employees a requisite number of vacation days (explicitly stating any or all may be devoted to recognized religious holidays) versus a taxpayer supported-and-servicing public institution ceasing all operation to observe a religious holiday it declares such. If memory serves, Good Friday is a "vacation day" of the former sort for TX state employees, but anyone who already expended their vacation and sick days better be at work.
I realize little is likely to change, partly because this is less a case of the state ceasing to support than of ceasing to nominally control the church, and also because (as others have noted) there would be blood in the streets if unions had to relinquish a paid holiday. In fact, much of Norways public workforce has been on strike most, if not all, of this week, either seeking better terms or in solidarity with those doing so, and will remain so into next week unless their demands are met. No doubt the date was chosen deliberately, since all public offices are closed tomorrow anyway, and the teachers are pretty much done for the year anyway (though public aspects of the tourist industry felt the strike keenly this weekend.) I am just continually struck by the irony in the least religious industrialized states having the most religious holidays, while the most religious ones have the least such holidays.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
For Our Nordmenn: What Happens to Federal Religious Holidays in the Absence of a State Church?
27/05/2012 01:33:20 PM
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Nothing, they are federal holidays still because of strong unions, not religion
27/05/2012 06:58:52 PM
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Hypocrisy FTW, eh?
27/05/2012 11:04:38 PM
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No.
27/05/2012 11:16:11 PM
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Again, some people manifestly care; just not enough to relinquish a paid holiday.
28/05/2012 01:48:26 AM
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Nothing.
27/05/2012 07:03:07 PM
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Replacing it with another, secular, holiday seems the responsible thing to do.
27/05/2012 11:15:11 PM
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People. Don't. Care.
27/05/2012 11:29:07 PM
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If people did not care, disestablishmentarianism (and its antithesis) would not exist.
28/05/2012 01:41:18 AM
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Most of them are stolen from heden traditions and have nothing to do with christianity.
27/05/2012 07:15:55 PM
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Since two resident history buffs recently excoriated me for that claim, I have no wish to revisit it
27/05/2012 11:27:13 PM
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Thanksgiving isn't a religious holiday.
27/05/2012 08:43:58 PM
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That is rather debatable.
28/05/2012 12:08:53 AM
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The Distinction
29/05/2012 07:41:47 PM
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Thanksgiving was a purely federal institution. FDR dictated the date it's celebrated
30/05/2012 03:22:09 AM
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That distinction would be an almost wholly Roman Catholic (or possibly Greek Orthodox) one.
01/06/2012 01:47:12 AM
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How do you come to four for Canada?
27/05/2012 11:29:57 PM
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Because I counted Thankgiving, and holidays for federal employees rather than just statutory ones.
28/05/2012 02:03:55 AM
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Re: Because I counted Thankgiving, and holidays for federal employees rather...
28/05/2012 04:31:14 AM
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Well, you know better than I, but I found the 1580s date interesting.
28/05/2012 04:08:31 PM
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Re: Well, you no better than I, but I found the 1580s date interesting.
29/05/2012 01:15:52 AM
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Ireland has a tonne of religious public holidays yet no state religion.
28/05/2012 12:48:55 AM
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I wondered how that would shake out for the rest of Europe, or at least Western Europe.
28/05/2012 02:29:16 AM
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It's funny how you use "federal" to mean "mandated by national government".
28/05/2012 03:49:17 PM
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I was thinking more "central" government, but OK.
28/05/2012 04:26:38 PM
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Re: I was thinking more "central" government, but OK.
28/05/2012 04:50:32 PM
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Re: I was thinking more "central" government, but OK.
01/06/2012 02:03:40 AM
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I think you've got the Scotland Act backwards.
01/06/2012 09:48:36 AM
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There's a lot of countries that call "devolution" federalism, though.
01/06/2012 09:52:23 PM
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What about when most of the country is still under central control?
02/06/2012 10:25:47 AM
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