As long as people need not purchase their voting requirements, voter IDs are fine by me.
Joel Send a noteboard - 10/04/2012 12:53:35 PM
I would like to know a bit more about the story though; the main reason photo ID has not been required in the past is because voter registration cards are (that, after all, is why they exist.) Granted, the specific laws vary by state and county, but in my own TX precincts anyone who lacked their voter registration card has always (or at least since I started voting 20 years ago) been required to produce photo ID instead. It has never been as simple as claiming to be whoever and stating their physical address, and I find it hard to believe it is that simple in DC.
All that said, registration cards alone are really not sufficient security. Anyone could lose their vote if someone stole their voter registration card, and since voter registration requires a physical address one cannot simply have their registration card sent to a locked PO box (not that that is perfectly secure.) One would think both Democrats and Republicans could unify around that, since it involves the pet voting issues of both: Democrats opposed to illegal voter suppression should be concerned about peoples votes being stolen, and Republicans opposed to illegal voter inflation should be concerned about people stealing votes.
As long as voting does not require people directly pay for a required photo ID (i.e. a poll tax,) I fully support requiring one. It might even put an end to disenfranchising homeless people on the grounds they cannot register without an address. The voting rights of non-felon adult citizens should never be denied (I seem to recall a party ramming through a Constitutional Amendment to that effect.
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All that said, registration cards alone are really not sufficient security. Anyone could lose their vote if someone stole their voter registration card, and since voter registration requires a physical address one cannot simply have their registration card sent to a locked PO box (not that that is perfectly secure.) One would think both Democrats and Republicans could unify around that, since it involves the pet voting issues of both: Democrats opposed to illegal voter suppression should be concerned about peoples votes being stolen, and Republicans opposed to illegal voter inflation should be concerned about people stealing votes.
As long as voting does not require people directly pay for a required photo ID (i.e. a poll tax,) I fully support requiring one. It might even put an end to disenfranchising homeless people on the grounds they cannot register without an address. The voting rights of non-felon adult citizens should never be denied (I seem to recall a party ramming through a Constitutional Amendment to that effect.
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This message last edited by Joel on 10/04/2012 at 02:12:18 PM
No voter fraud Mr. Holder? I beg to differ.....
09/04/2012 07:13:46 PM
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The irony of a Republican-leaning person pointing this out...
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09/04/2012 08:37:33 PM
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Why is it ironic?
09/04/2012 09:54:10 PM
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The irony is merely that of the pot and the kettle
10/04/2012 01:05:39 AM
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If you are referring to FL in 2000.....those machines were bought by Dems.....
10/04/2012 01:17:26 AM
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Was thinking more about Ohio to be honest
10/04/2012 01:22:55 AM
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Intentional Voting Suppression is what they are trying to do in Florida right now(due to a 2011 law)
10/04/2012 04:22:25 AM
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Honestly, I'm fine with convicted felons permanently losing their right to vote.....
10/04/2012 04:34:31 AM
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I am also fine with stupid people not being allowed to vote
10/04/2012 04:36:20 AM
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Agreed - stupid people should not be allowed to vote, maybe an IQ test?
10/04/2012 05:17:43 AM
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I don't know about permanently...
10/04/2012 02:10:10 PM
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Who is talking about letting felons vote in prison?
10/04/2012 02:24:29 PM
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The League of Women Voters, for one
10/04/2012 08:50:39 PM
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Well, that is simply ridiculous then, and merits no consideration.
10/04/2012 11:53:04 PM
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To play Devil's Advocate, there's some legitimacy to the concept
11/04/2012 04:24:37 AM
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Sounds like people deliberately missing the point more than anything.
11/04/2012 07:45:40 AM
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Ohio? When? *NM*
10/04/2012 04:30:29 AM
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2008.
10/04/2012 04:37:15 AM
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Once again, Dems were running those polls and counties.
10/04/2012 05:19:14 AM
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they were not in 2004 and still had vote supression and irregularities
10/04/2012 04:44:36 PM
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I think you've got your facts wrong
10/04/2012 09:00:55 PM
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well, to be fair, it *has* been 8 years
11/04/2012 03:49:17 AM
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Fair Enough, my 'memory' is mostly google based on this anyway, from about a year ago and now
11/04/2012 04:00:57 AM
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Stating something doesn't make it true
10/04/2012 04:10:33 AM
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I'm impressed that you wrote so much in reply
10/04/2012 04:36:02 AM
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Then demonstrate that by having the courtesy to rebut it or withdraw your remarks
10/04/2012 06:30:52 AM
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How long voting takes is a function of machines, not voters.
10/04/2012 02:08:39 PM
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It's a function of various factors, that can certainly be one
10/04/2012 08:12:08 PM
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Ohio in 2004 was hinky enough to prompt the only Congressional challenge since 1876s Corrupt Bargain
10/04/2012 11:36:52 PM
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The fact that it's possible doesn't mean it's widespread, nor that every countermeasure is justified *NM*
10/04/2012 11:57:16 AM
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As long as people need not purchase their voting requirements, voter IDs are fine by me.
10/04/2012 12:53:35 PM
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