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Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next? Joel Send a noteboard - 12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM
Read Norwich, Byzantium, Vol. I: The Early Centuries, chapters 17-18, and Byzantium, Vol. II: The Apogee, chapters 2-5; The Oxford History of Byzantium, chapters 6-7 (and see p. 189, which sums up the Schism quickly: "The rise of the Normans in southern Italy coincided with growing strains in papal relationships with both powers: with Germany, because of the minority of Henry IV and then the latter's hostility to Church reform; with Byzantium, because of the age-old dispute over ecclesiastical jurisdiction in southern Italy, coupled with controversy over doctrine, papal supremacy, and liturgical usage which erupted in a dramatic exchange of excommunications in 1054 that is conventionally seen as the beginning of the schism between the eastern and western Churches"); Eamon Duffy, Saints and Sinners: A History of the Popes, chapter 2; Norwich, Absolute Monarchs: A History of the Papacy, Chapter VIII.

I could continue this, but it's futile considering that not only are you an ignorant ass on this subject, but you just refuse to listen to anything that is said to you. And you wonder why people dismiss your rants.

Just to be clear, you are saying iconoclasm does not fall under the heading of "controversy over doctrine"?
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Atheism: The Iconoclasm of the West? - 10/03/2012 05:42:56 AM 1293 Views
I think about as highly of athiesm as I do of christianity. *NM* - 10/03/2012 05:54:20 AM 356 Views
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... and apparently it was a waste of time - 11/03/2012 03:27:04 AM 539 Views
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who? *NM* - 11/03/2012 12:00:13 AM 287 Views
Me - 11/03/2012 03:31:51 AM 565 Views
You're right and wrong. - 10/03/2012 05:09:32 PM 943 Views
Re: You're right and wrong. - 11/03/2012 12:28:25 AM 850 Views
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Yeah, that's very true. - 11/03/2012 03:27:09 PM 744 Views
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Duplicate post *NM* - 11/03/2012 03:28:58 PM 374 Views
What exactly do you mean by "The irreparable damage it inflicted in the Great Schism"? - 10/03/2012 07:57:59 PM 721 Views
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Bull. Shit. - 11/03/2012 01:54:07 AM 715 Views
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Irreparable damage is damage that cannot be repaired, not necessarily serious or fatal. - 11/03/2012 10:34:57 AM 819 Views
ο κοπρος. του ταυρου. - 11/03/2012 02:19:11 PM 780 Views
Very edifying; can you do Mandarin or Swahili next? - 12/03/2012 05:47:23 PM 686 Views
No. Even English seems to be beyond your grasp. - 12/03/2012 06:29:50 PM 594 Views
Citing scripture does not justify telling me to kill myself. - 13/03/2012 12:08:02 AM 728 Views
I'm not telling you to; God is. - 13/03/2012 12:35:45 AM 511 Views
Or can only you use that sort of specious logic? *NM* - 13/03/2012 03:50:20 PM 262 Views
And re: particular bullshit - 11/03/2012 02:33:15 PM 704 Views
Re: And re: particular bullshit - 13/03/2012 12:07:42 AM 610 Views
Give it up already. You are wrong. - 12/03/2012 12:53:37 AM 898 Views

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