The closeness of several states when Obama was far more popular, and UTs heavily Mormon neighbors.
Joel Send a noteboard - 03/03/2012 11:44:06 PM
you come out and say that he wont win a few states -though I do agree MO is unlikely. The reason why these states are considered toss ups is that the polling shows it is all close either deadlocked or a narrow advantage for one side. Simply stating otherwise because of a 'mormon' population -where I could say a large hispanic population- doesn't make it less of a toss up.
Do polls show around 75% of hispanics prefer Obama to Romney, with the rest evenly split between Romney and Undecided? Polls of Mormons skew that heavily toward Romney. It is not quite the same as asking Catholics if they would vote for one of THOSE Bishops, but only because many Catholics have a love/hate relationship with church authority. Romney is Mormon royalty, and NV is the only UT neighbor where Obama won a commanding victory even at the height of his popularity (unless we count NM because of the Four Corners, but unless Romney takes Isaacs advice and puts Rubio on the ticket that seems a likely Obama keeper.) Not only UT, but most of its neighboring states have HUGE Mormon populations, it just is not that noticeable because few of them wear it on their sleeves. The Udalls are Mormon, as is Harry Reid, and do not think for a moment that did not help them win three Senate seats, just as it helped Dean Heller, the other NV Senator, win a fourth (and obviously both UT Senators are Mormon.)
The Mormon church owns the Mountain West and Southwest to an extent AL Southern Baptists can only envy. The only real challenges are NM and AZ, but Romney won the latters primary by about 20% largely due to Mormon turnout. If he gets half that bump in the general election he could win as big as McCain did despite their acrimonious '08 primary fight, but that is the only place beside NM I think Obama can compete, and NM is the only one I think he has a good chance to win.
Other than that, I learned my lesson with MO in 2008; it is hard to argue the Show Me state shows anything but red now. Obama narrowly lost it when far more popular, and only won NC by 1% (as previously noted,) so winning either now looks impossible. That would leave Romney needing just 2 EVs; he could conceivably get them in the split ME vote, but NH should lean heavily Romney also, and without OH or FL Obama would have to hold at least one plus NM AND VA AND IA. If he does that he will OH and/or FL, making the rest irrelevant (unless he wins OH without FL, in which case he will need either VA or NM and IA.)
I'd disagree with a couple of the states being toss ups like Michigan -the primary didn't do Romney the likely nominee any favours with Obama significantly up against him in the polls now. In general though the map is reasonable and lines up relatively well with what most of the political experts would suggest.
Well, like I say, Romneys corporate raider career and suggestion we let the Big Three twist in the wind, plus highly unpopular Scott Walkers union antagonism, should make most of the Midwest except IN and OH very difficult for him. Same with PA, though whether PA is Midwestern or New England depends on whom you ask (or which end.) If Sherrod Brown were not taking so much heat for Robamacare, Kasichs echoes of Walker might cost Romney OH as well; as it is, it should be very close (unfortunately, every major OH city shrank in the last decade except very red Cincinatti, which grew nearly 10%.) I expect Democrats will get every Midwest state except IN and possibly OH, just like every year (still cannot believe Obama won IN but lost MO; guess anything can happen.)
The anemic popularity of both candidates makes any true upset unlikely for either. That puts it in the swing states, and even those must be very close to truly be in play. Holding VA would make things much easier for Obama (for one thing, it would be a likely harbinger of holding FL and OH, both of which he won by smaller margins) but the closeness of popular governor Tim Kaines race against George "macaca" Allen raises real questions about that. It also gives VA conservatives motive to show up for a RINO presidential nominee, while that very RINO status will mute the sub/urban lean toward Obama.
It looks dicey for Obama; while he can win by just holding a couple of the big states truly in play, he almost has to, because Romney will nearly run the table in the rest. He won every close state except MT and MO last time (how a Dem can lose MO in a very blue year I do not know) but that is less likely now. It will come down to OH and FL, yet again; the only thing that has really changed in the last 20 years is that PA is almost guaranteed blue (if Kerry can win it ANY Dem can. )
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Now That Romney Is Officially the Republican Presidential Nominee: Pick the President!
29/02/2012 08:29:02 PM
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I agree Romney will be the candidate.
29/02/2012 08:54:52 PM
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I would say the math favors Romney over Obama, but it will probably be close either way.
01/03/2012 03:37:52 PM
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I have never understood the point of the Electoral College.
29/02/2012 11:39:11 PM
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You don't think like a politician then
01/03/2012 12:38:36 AM
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I certainly hadn't considered much of that. I'm glad you posted it. *NM*
01/03/2012 07:15:03 AM
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I also have not seen most of that mentioned in the popular vs. electoral debate.
01/03/2012 02:34:31 PM
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a bit simplistic and unrealistic
02/03/2012 11:44:02 PM
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When illustrating a point realism is not required and simplicity is a plus
03/03/2012 03:04:26 AM
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I have a couple quibbles.
03/03/2012 05:23:46 AM
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Oh, certainly, I'm over-generalizing but I was already getting long-winded
03/03/2012 06:52:04 AM
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What a bunch of waffle!
03/03/2012 10:47:19 AM
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Also I don't like this refrain that implies only the POTUS vote matters
03/03/2012 03:29:58 AM
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03/03/2012 05:57:41 AM
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Re: IMHO, parliaments choosing prime ministers is LESS democratic than the electoral college.
03/03/2012 07:02:30 AM
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*is learning*
04/03/2012 09:49:42 PM
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Re: *is learning*
04/03/2012 09:56:16 PM
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Re: *is learning*
05/03/2012 12:08:08 AM
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You could imitate the French.
07/03/2012 10:40:16 PM
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That seems... unlikely....
08/03/2012 03:03:54 PM
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It does, doesn't it?
08/03/2012 06:11:08 PM
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08/03/2012 08:51:03 PM
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08/03/2012 09:32:55 PM
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09/03/2012 12:27:31 AM
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03/03/2012 06:18:08 PM
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Do you happen to have that link, please?
03/03/2012 06:46:31 PM
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Sure.
03/03/2012 06:58:07 PM
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Guess we did not read far enough.
03/03/2012 10:38:07 PM
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Yeah, you have to know a few things about European politics...
03/03/2012 11:49:44 PM
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Hey, man, I am an AMERICAN: I do not HAVE to know ANYTHING!
04/03/2012 11:46:57 PM
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Re: Yeah, you have to know a few things about European politics...
05/03/2012 06:56:24 AM
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05/03/2012 10:21:26 AM
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Re: Yeah, you have to know a few things about European politics...
08/03/2012 07:11:12 PM
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Many valid reasons, including those Isaac cited.
02/03/2012 02:26:37 AM
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Most states are ignored anyway
02/03/2012 11:56:12 PM
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Only because and to the extent they have already committed themselves.
03/03/2012 03:41:39 AM
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Why would we do something logical? Dude, you're utterly ridiculous. *NM*
05/03/2012 04:53:38 PM
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I'm kind of sad- does this mean Santorum won't be providing wonderful sound bites anymore?
01/03/2012 02:22:31 PM
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02/03/2012 01:10:26 AM
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02/03/2012 01:38:07 AM
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I'd agree hope and change was extremely unrealistic
02/03/2012 11:58:57 PM
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03/03/2012 01:43:20 AM
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02/03/2012 11:10:56 PM
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Romney is damaged
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03/03/2012 02:23:53 AM
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I'm hoping for Rubio as VP... then FL probably won't matter
03/03/2012 04:28:08 AM
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You should put that on your license plates.
03/03/2012 06:41:34 AM
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And what are you basing all of this on?
03/03/2012 09:54:06 PM
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The closeness of several states when Obama was far more popular, and UTs heavily Mormon neighbors.
03/03/2012 11:44:06 PM
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Wrong
04/03/2012 08:08:56 AM
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Higher turnout magnifies the Mormon effect.
04/03/2012 08:08:09 PM
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Your reasoning is flawed and if you can't see it there is no hope for you
05/03/2012 11:39:04 PM
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Yeah, I think we had that conversation already, several times, in fact.
07/03/2012 05:36:45 AM
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Do you have any knowledge of statistics at all?
07/03/2012 09:04:15 PM
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I hate this message board
07/03/2012 09:06:30 PM
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It would probably help if you deleted the stuff from two, three posts back?
07/03/2012 09:25:40 PM
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