Re: I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is:
Joel Send a noteboard - 27/02/2012 03:24:45 PM
Reading the first paragraph would likely suffice. However, my point is tolerance and acceptance have become so muddled seemingly any blame fool and/or outright dangerous notion is considered valid. If "coexisting" with people who think hunting their neighbors for sport a fun hobby means locking them in a nice soft room where they are no threat to others, fine. If it means accepting and celebrating their "diverse" (i.e. sociopathic) beliefs as coequal with ideas like human decency, no, sorry, I cannot and will not do that. They are simply wrong, my beliefs are better than theirs, and if that makes me judgemental or "intolerant" in the eyes of people too obsessed with getting along with everyone to realize some people will not let others get along with them, so be it.
One more time, the kind of person who would have this bumper sticker is not the kind of person who wants to be running around killing people, and I highly doubt that is what they are thinking of (in others) when they are proud of their tolerance. Do you really think that is what we mean when we talk about tolerance? Seriously? If you do, it's more than mildly insulting, because it feels like you're assuming tolerant people are too stupid to understand where to stop.
That is pretty much it, yeah, and I have met many people too proud of their tolerance to realize refusing to condemn anything means condoning everything. Given how dangerous that is, self preservation as much as human decency compels me to shout, "STOP!" all the louder when others will not. I am not trying to point fingers at anyone in particular (just the opposite, believe it or not) but it is not a position from which I will back down either, because it is as necessary as it is right.
It's an acceptance that there are others out there who think different things, and that that is just fine. If any belief "wrong," as you seem to think is the biggest worry, it most likely falls under the jurisdiction of the law.
Beliefs do NOT fall under the jurisdiction of law; perhaps ironically, I agree with those who say they should not. ACTIONS fall under legal jurisdiction, but negative harmful beliefs produce negative harmful acts. Knowing those acts will be prosecuted is cold comfort if I know the beliefs driving them will also be accepted, and thus flourish unchecked. I can and do TOLERATE those beliefs, but will never ACCEPT them, because they are not "just fine:" They are tolerable, and only to the extent they are restricted to consenting adults.
I will not impose my beliefs on those who do not share them, but will do all I legally can to change harmful beliefs. People can never be coerced to alter beliefs, but can and should be convinced and encouraged to alter destructive dangerous ones. I still tolerate both those beliefs and people who hold them, but have no duty to accept the beliefs; just the opposite, in fact. I tolerate racism just fine, but will never accept it, and will always discourage it by any just means available. Many people agree, but try to marry that to a moral relativism fatal to it, which I also oppose.
About all I would add is that when people convinced no belief is inherently superior to another LOOK DOWN ON me believing differently, I do not know whether to laugh or cry at such purblind hypocrisy. Condemning me is a tacit admission of their error, as "embracing" brutal cultures by living in one would teach them.
You must lead a different life completely. I see nobody embracing any brutal culture, and I wouldn't have thought of that AT ALL, when seeing that bumper sticker. The only thing I condemn you for is that you're making this about yourself, and it makes you sound like a crazy Christian who can't see past that.
My intent was to make this about everyone, and if anything I think I encountered opposition because I painted with too broad a brush. On the other hand, a big reason why was because I did not single out individuals. The closest I came was in pointing out giving all comers blank checks is the short road to bankruptcy, but I did not even do that until mocked as "intolerant."
I also am not speaking (solely) about religion, despite mentioning ecumenicalism once or twice. When I referenced spirituality, it was again in the broadest sense, because healthy developed spirituality encourages treating others with human decency (i.e. tolerance) as well as recognizing some beliefs and behavior as unacceptable. Yet, although that includes religious beliefs, it is not restricted to them either, and in my experience the same often applies to people wearing "Coexist" banners. Like I say, it is everything and, while I tolerate everything, I do not accept everything, opposing many peacefully but strongly from necessity.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
For my fellow Grammar Nazis
23/02/2012 07:12:33 PM
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We are going to need a bigger bumper.
24/02/2012 05:33:44 PM
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lol intolerance *NM*
24/02/2012 09:10:34 PM
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Not intolerance.
24/02/2012 11:06:08 PM
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"Coexisting" = "no belief system?"
25/02/2012 01:10:04 AM
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Not technically, no, but in my experience that is how it tends to work in practice.
25/02/2012 08:39:03 AM
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What?
25/02/2012 11:46:12 AM
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"What?" indeed.
25/02/2012 05:02:32 PM
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I apologize. I can't read that. *NM*
25/02/2012 10:21:09 PM
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What can I say? Keeping it short and to the point was clearly not CONVEYING the point.
27/02/2012 06:17:14 AM
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I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is:
27/02/2012 12:43:54 PM
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Re: I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is:
27/02/2012 03:24:45 PM
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Re: I feel bad about what I said before, so here it is:
27/02/2012 08:40:16 PM
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Also, I'm done here. It doesn't matter if we agree, and these sorts of conversations are
27/02/2012 08:41:13 PM
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I have met them, they are out there; they populate entire schools of philosophy.
27/02/2012 10:34:16 PM
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lol strawman
27/02/2012 11:01:32 AM
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I have known lots of people who believe that; some even realize they believe it.
27/02/2012 02:31:48 PM
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lol false dichotomy
27/02/2012 06:46:36 PM
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Oh, it enters my mind; in fact, it has taken permanent residence there (lol, stfu, omgwtfbbq, etc.)
27/02/2012 10:21:10 PM
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Dont quote Nietzsche. You dont understand him. *NM*
27/02/2012 10:34:08 PM
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I understand him well enough.
27/02/2012 11:10:21 PM
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He did not favor moral relativism and he very much railed against nihilism. *NM*
27/02/2012 11:13:46 PM
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If I ask how a grammar humor thread turned into a philisophical debate, am I going to regret it?
27/02/2012 11:20:59 PM
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Meh and again I say, "meh."
27/02/2012 11:50:35 PM
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So this site is just the reposting of really old internet memes? *NM*
02/03/2012 01:51:26 AM
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