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You continue to miss the point. Dreaded Anomaly Send a noteboard - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM
I have neither the energy nor the desire to repeat the same pointless conversation over and over again, as you merely restate your tangential remarks with each post.

This is the situation: the "pro-life" movement often makes claims that fetuses have "brain waves" at 8 weeks (or earlier). "Brain wave", as we have both noted, is not a technical term. That means we have to consider what the people making the statement are implying by their specific use of the term in order to judge the statement accurately.

The "pro-life" movement has only one motivation to make such a statement: they think that it supports their view that fetuses are people. The relevant question, then, is whether or not fetuses have the same kind of "brain waves," or in general electric activity read by EEG, that people with functioning brains have. A trace of the sources cited for this claim shows no evidence in support of such a similarity, and actually some evidence against it.

That is the end of it. A claim was made; the claim, in its intended meaning, is probably false based just on the sources which supposedly supported it. Further, more direct research (such as the paper I originally linked) into fetal brain development shows that the higher brain functions have not developed, making the claim even more obviously false.

If my higher brain functions were destroyed, then my self/personality/mind/etc. would be gone. What remained (body, whatever was left of the lower brain) would not be a person.
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Susan G. Komen cuts funds to Planned Parenthood. (with updated edit) - 02/02/2012 04:32:27 PM 2193 Views
The most annoying part is in the sixth paragraph- abortions are only a small part of their thing - 02/02/2012 05:08:07 PM 1085 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 05:20:17 PM 998 Views
I can understand it though. - 02/02/2012 05:45:55 PM 1057 Views
I can too, it just isn't for me. - 02/02/2012 05:58:33 PM 966 Views
Actually, there are longer-acting forms of birth control than the pill. - 03/02/2012 12:37:42 AM 981 Views
I do think that preventing abortions is their primary goal. - 03/02/2012 01:08:05 AM 943 Views
If they don't see that link, it's because they haven't looked. - 03/02/2012 02:42:42 AM 1029 Views
That is a little unfair. - 03/02/2012 12:48:46 PM 1238 Views
Won't someone please think of the children?! - 04/02/2012 05:03:27 AM 1026 Views
I think you're leaving out some important points. - 04/02/2012 03:40:48 PM 968 Views
Ah, the good ol' silent majority. - 04/02/2012 07:32:29 PM 944 Views
So which moron is feeding you this crap? - 04/02/2012 10:27:15 PM 967 Views
A zygote isn't a person, because it doesn't have a brain. - 05/02/2012 12:33:29 AM 962 Views
It worries me when we think alike.... - 05/02/2012 01:22:35 PM 1001 Views
Brain waves at 8 weeks are a myth. - 05/02/2012 08:46:06 PM 1105 Views
"brain function... appears to be reliably present in the fetus at about eight weeks' gestation." - 05/02/2012 10:42:35 PM 1017 Views
Oh please. - 05/02/2012 11:13:50 PM 981 Views
Re: Oh please yourself. - 06/02/2012 09:15:26 PM 858 Views
Quite a telling reply. - 07/02/2012 04:38:20 AM 924 Views
Re: I quite agree. - 08/02/2012 06:03:23 PM 1129 Views
You're taking an issue of objective facts and treating it like a day of playground gossip. - 09/02/2012 03:47:06 AM 968 Views
No, your source, in which there is very little that is objective, did that for me. - 11/02/2012 02:59:45 AM 990 Views
I see you have continued to provide no factual arguments. - 14/02/2012 04:53:28 AM 1227 Views
I presented factual rebuttals. - 19/02/2012 01:56:45 AM 1019 Views
You continue to miss the point. - 23/02/2012 10:22:24 PM 1110 Views
Well, yes. - 04/02/2012 11:14:47 PM 1029 Views
A silent majority may as well not exist, if it has no tangible effects. - 05/02/2012 12:54:34 AM 973 Views
You ignoring it is not the same thing as it having no tangible effect. - 05/02/2012 02:11:36 AM 1067 Views
Ignoring what? You haven't shown me anything solid. - 05/02/2012 05:25:23 AM 966 Views
It's ok, we're done. *NM* - 05/02/2012 09:29:05 AM 589 Views
Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 04/02/2012 08:25:49 PM 1057 Views
Re: Since few people oppose ADULT contraception access, that might be wise in this case. - 05/02/2012 02:11:28 AM 967 Views
If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 08:42:17 AM 801 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 05/02/2012 10:04:59 PM 968 Views
Re: If you are arguing most sex ed opponents are naïve/ignorant, I agree. - 06/02/2012 08:57:38 PM 950 Views
I'm done discussing my use of the term "oppression." The Tim Ryan stuff is interesting, though. - 07/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 1046 Views
Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 08/02/2012 06:01:32 PM 1137 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 09/02/2012 05:30:58 AM 1003 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 11/02/2012 02:58:00 AM 1034 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 14/02/2012 04:29:08 AM 1096 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 19/02/2012 01:54:30 AM 1013 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 23/02/2012 10:59:32 PM 1312 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 07/03/2012 01:47:44 AM 967 Views
Re: Yet, regrettably, not done misusing it. - 15/03/2012 10:27:23 PM 1226 Views
There are problems with the implants - 03/02/2012 01:42:55 AM 993 Views
You have a talent for understatement. - 03/02/2012 01:08:40 PM 978 Views
I agree that they have made Beast Cancer a cult but splitting with PP is just smart - 02/02/2012 05:39:49 PM 1127 Views
I agree. - 02/02/2012 06:00:17 PM 909 Views
yes she is going to have to piss off one group or the other - 02/02/2012 06:12:31 PM 976 Views
Right - 02/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1027 Views
Do you see a way Komen could have avoided pissing off one side? - 02/02/2012 06:55:36 PM 975 Views
No, I don't. I don't believe I said that? - 02/02/2012 07:53:50 PM 883 Views
You didn't; I inferred it from the way you phrased that ("if she HAS to..."). Sorry. - 02/02/2012 08:06:11 PM 965 Views
I know I'm not always clear. - 02/02/2012 08:32:47 PM 968 Views
Just curious... - 02/02/2012 10:07:49 PM 950 Views
Not at all. - 02/02/2012 10:24:19 PM 1013 Views
Not at all? - 02/02/2012 10:32:31 PM 904 Views
No. - 02/02/2012 10:47:04 PM 866 Views
My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 02/02/2012 11:17:24 PM 958 Views
Re: My argument is based on my belief that the pro-choice women are more dedicated to women's causes - 03/02/2012 12:08:01 AM 956 Views
wow that may be the worst advice I had in weeks - 03/02/2012 12:13:18 AM 919 Views
Ooor, the best. - 03/02/2012 12:25:56 AM 900 Views
ok now you are just being mean *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:46:12 AM 588 Views
The thread was going too well - I thought we needed the meanness. *NM* - 03/02/2012 11:30:39 AM 534 Views
rabble rouser *NM* - 04/02/2012 04:24:01 AM 551 Views
I misread this at first - 03/02/2012 12:51:44 AM 961 Views
not to mention codeine seems to make me double post - 02/02/2012 11:17:26 PM 2003 Views
I'm not so sure I agree. Or not completely. - 02/02/2012 06:14:11 PM 892 Views
I don't diagree with the way you see it - 02/02/2012 06:39:41 PM 964 Views
More inevitable than anything, considering who started Komen. - 02/02/2012 10:19:34 PM 910 Views
Never having heard of any of those except PP, my opinion may not be the most relevant... - 02/02/2012 08:32:48 PM 1034 Views
You don't know stuff. - 02/02/2012 08:43:38 PM 997 Views
I know the stuff that matters. - 02/02/2012 09:55:08 PM 897 Views
That's true. - 02/02/2012 10:34:32 PM 989 Views
they may also be a afraid that PP will go the way of ACORN - 02/02/2012 11:04:16 PM 1041 Views
"Accused" of = unfounded slander. - 03/02/2012 12:13:30 AM 1051 Views
This is so foreign a debate for me - 02/02/2012 10:16:15 PM 1016 Views
Must be nice. *NM* - 03/02/2012 12:26:49 AM 640 Views
Re: stuff - 03/02/2012 09:18:53 AM 915 Views
I'm sorry, but what're we talking about when we're talking about "cancer" - 03/02/2012 12:49:34 PM 947 Views
Obviously not adenocarcinoma, no. - 04/02/2012 07:36:06 AM 959 Views
I"m not that fussed. I'm just generally leary of research that has results like that - 04/02/2012 08:35:04 PM 905 Views
Fair enough. - 04/02/2012 10:17:31 PM 974 Views
They restored funding incidentally - 03/02/2012 05:43:47 PM 893 Views
Unless I've missed it - 03/02/2012 05:56:15 PM 981 Views
You must have missed it then - 03/02/2012 07:07:13 PM 897 Views
If you're referring to Cannoli - 03/02/2012 07:19:25 PM 1049 Views
Multiple was not an accidental choice of words - 03/02/2012 11:46:30 PM 925 Views
Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 12:41:42 AM 959 Views
Re: Then I agree that maybe this is not the thread for you. - 04/02/2012 01:53:25 AM 1149 Views
Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 02:56:42 PM 980 Views
Re: Well, I'll try again for both of us. - 04/02/2012 07:40:25 PM 946 Views
well at least there will not be any doubt about this being a political decision - 03/02/2012 06:24:14 PM 1093 Views
I think that ship sailed long ago. - 03/02/2012 08:45:13 PM 899 Views
Truth - 04/02/2012 02:07:20 AM 1004 Views
I do wonder a bit which lawmakers Fox thinks "pressured" Komen. - 03/02/2012 08:29:50 PM 896 Views
are you trying to disprove the study you posted? - 03/02/2012 09:20:12 PM 1024 Views
To me, it depends on the nature of the contact, which I have not dug enough to discover. - 03/02/2012 10:43:45 PM 925 Views
you admit you have no incite into what happened - 04/02/2012 04:27:17 AM 948 Views
Actually, it looks like Komens new VP (and former GOP GA gubernatorial candidate) had the incite. - 04/02/2012 04:24:14 PM 997 Views
educated guess don't work when you are tinfoil hat wearing kool-aid drinker - 04/02/2012 09:33:49 PM 895 Views
Dude. - 04/02/2012 11:20:49 PM 837 Views
Yo mama? - 05/02/2012 05:32:11 AM 991 Views
whhhhhhyyyyyy - 04/02/2012 11:23:58 PM 966 Views
Why would I not think that? - 05/02/2012 05:46:15 AM 865 Views

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