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How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course. Joel Send a noteboard - 11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM
I mean he really thought this would fly? If he doesn't change it then those "activist" judges will because it is a blatant violation of the separation between church and state. I am no fan of religion overall and I reject the idea that Obama wants some kind of "war" against religion - that idea is just stupid rhetoric - but moves like this are just mind boggling. They reaffirm to me why I have decided I won't be voting for him again.

What is your plan B? It is not as if we can expect much better from the real Romney (to the extent there is one) than from the Democratic clone of him.

That is setting aside my incredulity at anyone being satisfied with Romney; we know less about how he would govern than we did about Obama in 2008, even though Romney has been in national politics longer. Mitt makes Obama look firm and open by comparison.

However, if both major parties nominate awful candidates, the solution is to seek, support and campaign for a better one, regardless of party, not surrender the government to whichever of those awful candidates everyone else picks. That is how we got into this mess in the first place, and the biggest obstacle to getting out of it.
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Democrats bailing on Obama - War against the Catholic Church heats up Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 04:03:35 AM 1681 Views
This is not a war on Catholics, it is Obama being an idiot again. Joel - 09/02/2012 04:52:01 AM 708 Views
For someone who used to be a Con Law professor MightyYT - 10/02/2012 08:23:34 PM 592 Views
In general, I disagree with that view, but not in this particular case. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:02:42 AM 823 Views
Also, kudos for linking to a source, and a fairly non-partisan one as well. Joel - 09/02/2012 01:33:07 PM 789 Views
I am a non-partisan guy, so I only use unbiased sources! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 04:02:50 PM 565 Views
Is there really such a thing? *NM* Aemon - 09/02/2012 04:11:30 PM 463 Views
Wanting both parties to be hit by a bus does not make one non-partisan. Joel - 09/02/2012 10:05:28 PM 656 Views
You lost all credibility in the first line of your post. Dannymac - 09/02/2012 04:49:23 PM 727 Views
The subject line didn't help. *NM* nossy - 09/02/2012 06:04:11 PM 495 Views
But it added some flair to the discussion! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 09/02/2012 07:46:47 PM 440 Views
You actually think any of us has 'credibility' anymore in regards to neutrality? *NM* Isaac - 09/02/2012 06:46:13 PM 464 Views
It's one thing to have a bias. Dannymac - 09/02/2012 07:28:51 PM 765 Views
Some would say putting a spotlight on it is more honest. *NM* Urza - 09/02/2012 09:34:17 PM 415 Views
Ah, the Rupert Murdoch School of Objectivity. Joel - 09/02/2012 10:15:57 PM 703 Views
Wow, talk about making a supernova out of a couple hydrogen atoms. TaskmasterJack - 09/02/2012 08:41:44 PM 563 Views
The Catholic Church wants to eliminate the birth control coverage requirement entirely. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/02/2012 12:24:01 AM 864 Views
Sounds like they just do not want Catholics directly financing; great argument for public healthcare Joel - 10/02/2012 02:27:36 AM 799 Views
I'm somewhat suprised that Obama blundered this badly. everynametaken - 10/02/2012 01:40:14 AM 1591 Views
Why? Have you not been paying attention? Joel - 10/02/2012 02:03:43 AM 2024 Views
If I am not satisfied with Romney then my Plan B is to not vote. everynametaken - 10/02/2012 10:58:34 PM 2035 Views
How does that help anything? Except Romneys election chances, of course. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:08:22 AM 1877 Views
Bullshit. everynametaken - 11/02/2012 04:29:31 AM 2204 Views
A vote for no one is a vote for more BS. Joel - 11/02/2012 05:55:11 AM 1951 Views
No everynametaken this is not unconsitutional according to the first ammendment Roland00 - 11/02/2012 12:14:29 AM 1902 Views
Obama doing this actually impresses me to no end. callandor1000 - 10/02/2012 02:21:10 AM 2112 Views
He is already preparing to cave. Joel - 10/02/2012 02:42:32 AM 2106 Views
Why are you even replying to me? What you said has little meaning to what I said. callandor1000 - 10/02/2012 03:33:27 AM 1881 Views
"And here I thought he was just another politician." Joel - 10/02/2012 01:29:36 PM 1962 Views
Aaaaand you can put your hat back on now: Obama has already caved. Joel - 10/02/2012 04:04:30 PM 2117 Views
Yup, the cave already happened.....you could have set your watch to this! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 10/02/2012 05:00:02 PM 1651 Views
Actually, no, I could not; I expected it to take another week or two. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:27:31 AM 2016 Views
No, you don't have to buy it from insurers. You get it for free, just like everyone else will. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 10/02/2012 09:55:53 PM 1771 Views
"The employees can then buy the coverage directly from an insurer." Joel - 11/02/2012 01:25:52 AM 2089 Views
Then that article is wrong. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/02/2012 01:43:40 AM 2046 Views
Two days ago the White House said it would not back down from requiring school/hospital compliance. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:57:50 AM 2013 Views
So in summary... the article you posted was wrong. Dreaded Anomaly - 11/02/2012 02:18:00 AM 1578 Views
To soon to tell, but if you think so feel free to demand a correction from them. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:12:40 AM 812 Views
Losing the exchanges is a pretty big loss Roland00 - 11/02/2012 03:30:15 AM 727 Views
So they refuse to cover it for the next two years, then do an about face in 2014. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:57:53 AM 878 Views
If Aetna does not provide the free contraception as part of the compromise Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:46:14 AM 604 Views
Yeah, I saw that; if Aetna does not do as Obama says by 2014 they lose out on free profits then. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:13:36 AM 669 Views
So Jehovah Witness employers should not have to pay for blood transfusions? Roland00 - 10/02/2012 03:57:47 AM 677 Views
Not if it conflicts with their religious beliefs. Joel - 10/02/2012 04:20:32 PM 828 Views
Money is not the same as speech! Aeryn - 10/02/2012 07:20:56 PM 582 Views
And actions are different from both—until others are expected to pay for ones actions. Joel - 11/02/2012 12:53:40 AM 823 Views
No it isn't Joel, empirically you are dead wrong Roland00 - 10/02/2012 11:24:19 PM 812 Views
I do not see how requiring private entities do it instead of the feds is "least restrictive way." Joel - 11/02/2012 12:53:22 AM 804 Views
Catholic Charities of Sacramento Inc. v. Superior Court Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:21:46 AM 744 Views
"the Court found that it wasn't a religious organization, it was just a non-profit corporation." Joel - 11/02/2012 01:36:33 AM 595 Views
The situation was identical to the pre obama controversy Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:42:57 AM 519 Views
The affiliation is the sticking point. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:41:33 AM 885 Views
One last point Roland00 - 10/02/2012 11:35:25 PM 907 Views
The federal government forcing private groups to facilitate without committing sin also infringes. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:03:30 AM 683 Views
You argument does not make sense Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:26:57 AM 572 Views
It was an analogy, not an equivalency. Joel - 11/02/2012 01:48:14 AM 693 Views
Lets enhance your analogy making it closer to reality Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:19:41 AM 783 Views
Why could I not buy it with my own money? Joel - 11/02/2012 03:46:33 AM 755 Views
Re: Why could I not buy it with my own money? Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:17:17 AM 1998 Views
In other words, I could. Joel - 11/02/2012 04:21:05 AM 493 Views
You believe it can't help people since it is not single payer? *NM* Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:31:13 AM 474 Views
Since you answered this in your other response I will just adress it there. *MN* Joel - 11/02/2012 05:59:37 AM 769 Views
Some more points Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:30:27 AM 831 Views
Sex is not a necessity either. Joel - 11/02/2012 03:56:51 AM 752 Views
I can't believe you just said that Roland00 - 11/02/2012 04:30:12 AM 601 Views
The widespread inability to believe that is deeply worrisome. Joel - 11/02/2012 06:33:01 AM 763 Views
LMAO due to Obama's compromise (the word compromise should have a in it ) Roland00 - 11/02/2012 12:12:57 AM 795 Views
Obama just got two weeks of being portrayed as "anti-church" to the point even Dems complained. Joel - 11/02/2012 02:00:28 AM 724 Views
The polls disagree with you. Roland00 - 11/02/2012 02:32:59 AM 680 Views
It is an interesting article, but not for the polls. Joel - 11/02/2012 04:18:17 AM 728 Views
I wouldn't put too much into that poll anyway Isaac - 11/02/2012 05:37:05 AM 855 Views
Frankly, I hope Obamacare DOES die, just not because of the public mandate. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:18:04 AM 734 Views
I haven't really heard about it outside of this post, so the negative exposure can't be too bad. TaskmasterJack - 11/02/2012 05:56:58 PM 561 Views
There seems to be plenty of Hell raising over it, but you are in the States and I am not. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:55:51 PM 587 Views
you have, sort of. nossy - 11/02/2012 08:23:25 PM 786 Views
I don't think it's quite the laughing matter you think it is nossy - 11/02/2012 12:31:23 PM 733 Views
Nossy that was not Joel, that was me Roland00 - 11/02/2012 01:56:39 PM 741 Views
I know that. nossy - 11/02/2012 03:23:32 PM 841 Views
Understood. Joel - 11/02/2012 07:51:14 PM 716 Views
mmm... nossy - 11/02/2012 08:20:26 PM 743 Views
The man talked about during the campaign was the one elected with a mandate. Joel - 12/02/2012 02:28:15 AM 892 Views
I think Obama (for once) was far more clever you give him credit for... DomA - 15/02/2012 05:11:10 PM 945 Views
Surrendering on liberal issues then blaming Republicans is not just Obamas strategy, but his POLICY. Joel - 15/02/2012 07:23:04 PM 794 Views
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