The two tend to go together, though it is far from a hard and fast rule.
Joel Send a noteboard - 04/02/2012 11:50:03 PM
Social conservatism may be linked to lower IQ in some cases, but I think it's probably unfair to say that there is no merit to social conservatism as a result. I'm not a social conservative, but it doesn't mean they can't have compelling arguments.
Anything is possible, but, unless they are very biased, an argument that fails to sway most intelligent people is not very compelling.
As for fiscal conservatism, the article says nothing about it, but certainly the more fiscally conservative one tends to be, the more wealthy one tends to be...
The articles silence on fiscal conservatism is surely no coincidence. That said, I disagree fiscal conservatism tends to wealth. In the US, not only are most fiscal conservatives not wealthy, but I dare say the percentage of wealthy Americans who are fiscally liberal exceeds that percentage among the middle class (and greatly exceeds it among the lower class.) The more fiscally conservative one is, the more likely one is POOR, but voting against ones interests due to ignorance/bigotry.
Wealth often fosters fiscal conservatism, not the reverse. Freedom of choice is predicated on freedom of means; "choice" without means is simply desire denied, Fords "any color you like as long as it is black." Absent exceptional growth in national wealth, widespread upward mobility is mathematically impossible without proportional wealth redistribution. Whether natural or artificial, those with great existing wealth understandably tend to find that threatening.
Fiscal conservatism encourages social; the only question is whether the latter is intentional or incidental. In fact, it is often hard to separate fiscal and social liberalism, because the social policy is usually impractical without fiscal backing. Thus many wealthy social conservatives support local laws against various behavior they routinely travel elsewhere to indulge. The classic example has been discussed enough the past few days, so I will revert to my personal favorite: Arthur Finkelstein made a career electing NY Republicans who tirelessly fought gay marriage, but married his 20 year boyfriend in MA, where they and their adopted children live.
When closely examined, the culture and class wars are almost inextricable because, whatever nominal freedom exists, EXERCISING it is usually more a matter of assets and income than of law. Unfortunately, those fairly liberated by that system rarely confront and therefore rarely see its flaws, and calls for more opportunity are met with concerns for their wallets. Nothing illustrates that better than people who have insisted for decades that taxes are too high recently demanding tax hikes for the 50% of America owing (and consequently paying) no income tax. Working class America did not start the class war; they are just trying to survive it.
Ultimately, we return to the question we thought answered in 1865: Do property rights trump human rights, and should they take precedence when their inception created a conflict? Since ITS inception the GOP has side-stepped that question, making the Civil War about limiting states rights and the unions insolubility (anathema to all Founding Fathers, including Jefferson and Madison.) I do not know how—or if—they will answer it. Since 1964 the answer has increasingly been that sufficient wealth ensures members of any minority de facto liberty, and they can be blamed for the disenfranchisement of white males thereby induced to slit their own throats.
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This message last edited by Joel on 05/02/2012 at 12:01:03 AM
Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism
03/02/2012 08:58:00 PM
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I think ...
03/02/2012 09:28:02 PM
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That is a logical and reasonable assessment.
04/02/2012 08:59:59 PM
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Pretty sure hes saying liberals are pedophiles and I for one am not at all suprised! *NM*
04/02/2012 09:23:58 PM
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note: "social conservatives", not "fiscal conservatives"
03/02/2012 09:37:18 PM
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I've wondered:
03/02/2012 09:55:14 PM
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It bothers the living fuck out of me
03/02/2012 10:59:01 PM
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Just wait ten years
03/02/2012 11:21:25 PM
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Oh, I still vote Republican.
04/02/2012 01:49:43 AM
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Re: Oh, I still vote Republican.
04/02/2012 01:15:10 PM
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Actually, I could be an enthusiastic Democrat on principle, if any elected Dems would join me.
05/02/2012 01:49:48 AM
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Re: Just wait ten years
04/02/2012 05:16:16 AM
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Primary voting age is pretty high for both parties compared to general election, GOP a bit higher
04/02/2012 12:22:44 PM
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The two tend to go together, though it is far from a hard and fast rule.
04/02/2012 11:50:03 PM
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By referencing it…
03/02/2012 10:50:59 PM
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That's an odd idea.
03/02/2012 11:10:31 PM
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Not really; again, I took no position, just thought it might prompt some entertaining conversation.
05/02/2012 12:02:44 AM
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Tempting...
03/02/2012 11:17:43 PM
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I expected no less.
05/02/2012 12:25:14 AM
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Well, racists are dumb. What's to discuss?
04/02/2012 01:23:27 AM
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I think that generally agreed, though we need a study PROVING what we already know.
05/02/2012 12:41:26 AM
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Proving is something you do in maths, not science.
05/02/2012 09:05:30 AM
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So the Moon might still be made of green cheese?
05/02/2012 10:20:57 AM
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Yes. It is not very likely, though, since no measurement we have done so far indicates that it is so
05/02/2012 02:28:18 PM
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Well, that last part will make sure this gets ugly....
04/02/2012 02:05:11 AM
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Do you not think it's true then?
04/02/2012 07:32:13 AM
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Not in my experience.
04/02/2012 04:17:01 PM
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Granted, you do move in different circles than I (or Jens, for that matter.)
04/02/2012 10:24:52 PM
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As a few others have noted, it is important to preserve the causality chain.
05/02/2012 02:35:02 AM
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I dont see that it matters.
13/02/2012 01:40:45 AM
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In terms of policy, it probably does not; in terms of demographics, it definitely does.
13/02/2012 02:52:23 AM
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this sort of "science" is so easily and often slanted it doesn't really merit arguement
04/02/2012 04:23:14 AM
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Bah, you sound like a liberal arguing against lower black IQ test scores. *NM*
04/02/2012 07:00:43 AM
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Well, I will certainly agree anyone with half a brain can see through Fox "News."
05/02/2012 01:37:35 AM
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