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By that, I assume you want to know. (But probably not as interesting as you think.) Palatine Send a noteboard - 17/01/2012 02:46:16 PM
Do I think one should pay directly to vote? No. Do I think there should be a monetary cost to vote? Yes.

First, one should be able to read to vote. Even public education is not free. The public pays for it. Any 18-year-old voting for the first time and has had a job will have paid for part of their education. But let's say that reading is not necessary to vote. One should at least be minimally informed about the candidates and issues. How is that done? Watching television or listening to the radio. One usually has to buy these.

Second, getting to a poll. Driving there costs whatever one paid for the car, plus fuel. Same with riding a bike or skateboard, or other personal transportation. A bus or subway fare also costs some amount of money, usually. Walking is free, but I doubt many are going to do it barefoot (especially in November). Shoes cost money. As do the other clothes one usually wears in public.

The point is that the saying "Nothing is free" is true. Someone pays for "free" things. And even if the person getting the "free" item doesn't pay for it directly, the cost is still paid by that person somewhere, sometime. So, yes, one should have to pay to vote, even if indirectly. Voting is just another thing that people pay money for as a part of living in society. It's an abstract cost, to be sure, but it's still a cost that should be paid.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1881 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 523 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 992 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 886 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 1015 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 561 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 843 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 659 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 788 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 713 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 906 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 889 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 498 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 934 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 898 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 821 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 498 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 888 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 519 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 594 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 908 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 508 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 535 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 874 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 892 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 936 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 952 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 827 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 1023 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 953 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 1017 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 508 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 1042 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 512 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 938 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 888 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 512 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 921 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 940 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 618 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 525 Views
By that, I assume you want to know. (But probably not as interesting as you think.) - 17/01/2012 02:46:16 PM 913 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 959 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 890 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 843 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 542 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 420 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 917 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 532 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 970 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 949 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 891 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 848 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1072 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 963 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 903 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 904 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 945 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1086 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 836 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 934 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 956 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 888 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 530 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 879 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 825 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 808 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 840 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 1076 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 977 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1162 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 916 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 1022 Views
Yes, just you, the rest of us have been discussing baseball this entire time *NM* - 18/01/2012 02:41:25 AM 531 Views
I'm the only one who cares with fervor in a non nuanced way ok? *NM* - 18/01/2012 03:07:07 AM 521 Views
imo, fervor has no place in political discussion - 18/01/2012 02:35:56 PM 876 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 804 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 1028 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 865 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 1037 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 794 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 846 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 945 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1081 Views

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