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I quite agree with Joel on this point (frightening as that admission may be). Tom Send a noteboard - 16/01/2012 02:01:05 PM
The "bringing democracy" part has always been an afterthought. If you look at the rhetoric of the Bush and now Obama administrations, there is a clear emphasis on counterinsurgency and making sure the Taliban don't come back to power. Yes, part of the reason we say they shouldn't come back is because they aren't democratic, but the primary reason is, as stated over and over and over, that they would provide safe haven for al Qaeda.

The Taliban helped al Qaeda attack us on September 11. Much as we might like to disentangle them now if it allows us to get out of Afghanistan (and I'm not saying everyone sees the need for that, either), we know that Mullah Omar had appointed bin Laden to a very high post connected with defense. They weren't just offering safe haven to al Qaeda; they were actively working with them. Al Qaeda operatives had blown up Massood just a day earlier, clearing the way for the Taliban to take the last part of the country not in their control.

Iraq was touted as a mission of democracy FAR more than Afghanistan. Of course, I couldn't care less if we brought democracy to them - democracy can't be imposed from without anyway.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

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Am I the only one who doesn't care if the Marines piss on the corpses of Taliban? - 13/01/2012 03:28:08 PM 1700 Views
Eh, it makes our guys look like uncivilized barbarian hicks. - 13/01/2012 03:37:24 PM 866 Views
They're not? *NM* - 17/01/2012 09:52:28 AM 451 Views
Probably not the only one. - 13/01/2012 03:51:18 PM 1016 Views
I agree. *NM* - 13/01/2012 08:11:57 PM 423 Views
Well said. *NM* - 13/01/2012 10:52:26 PM 392 Views
Excellent post. - 14/01/2012 04:23:32 PM 743 Views
well said indeed. *NM* - 14/01/2012 06:30:21 PM 456 Views
Actually, IIRC, we were told the Afghanistan war was important because of the Talibans threat to us. - 14/01/2012 11:18:28 PM 715 Views
Yes, that was part of it. Of course. AND we were going to help bring democracy. - 15/01/2012 12:42:57 AM 689 Views
If we have time, sure. - 15/01/2012 10:18:31 PM 820 Views
ooookay. *NM* - 16/01/2012 12:12:06 AM 404 Views
? - 16/01/2012 01:17:37 AM 749 Views
Re: ? - 16/01/2012 12:22:39 PM 738 Views
I quite agree with Joel on this point (frightening as that admission may be). - 16/01/2012 02:01:05 PM 739 Views
Doesn't matter. - 16/01/2012 02:33:53 PM 737 Views
Your definition of "terrible thing" seems quite elastic. - 16/01/2012 07:21:12 PM 656 Views
I knew I had a good reason to hate you! - 16/01/2012 09:14:47 PM 737 Views
It took this post for you to realize that? - 16/01/2012 09:17:00 PM 735 Views
I am pissed at them - 13/01/2012 06:00:56 PM 1020 Views
Yup. *NM* - 13/01/2012 06:07:10 PM 428 Views
Nope, you aren't. - 13/01/2012 07:08:06 PM 685 Views
I have a strong feeling that this was not the worst that's been done to those bodies - 13/01/2012 10:43:34 PM 802 Views
any army simply reflects the society it is created from - 13/01/2012 11:06:57 PM 867 Views
Agreed - 14/01/2012 12:37:45 AM 745 Views
You're far from the only one, but I don't agree with it. - 14/01/2012 12:17:31 AM 821 Views
Awful. Worst post ever. *NM* - 14/01/2012 05:12:41 PM 560 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 14/01/2012 06:28:25 PM 402 Views
moral? - 14/01/2012 09:53:01 PM 805 Views
I agree it was stupid to record it, and a breach of policy. - 14/01/2012 11:05:49 PM 681 Views
im just baffled - 14/01/2012 11:36:32 PM 707 Views
Well, in the future you can expect it. - 15/01/2012 02:54:59 AM 691 Views
This shows that you are a bit of a sociopath *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:08:39 AM 366 Views
But we knew that already. *NM* - 15/01/2012 11:18:02 AM 388 Views
You're still upset I called American girls prudes. - 15/01/2012 04:43:31 PM 630 Views
I had forgotten you called American girls prudes - 16/01/2012 10:22:50 AM 713 Views
as someone said on the radio recently... - 16/01/2012 08:41:25 PM 722 Views
They aren't conditioned to murder, much less "in cold blood" - 16/01/2012 09:15:54 PM 799 Views
surprisingly there really is no conditioning to kill - 16/01/2012 09:33:51 PM 728 Views
You used the phrase enemy combatant... - 17/01/2012 10:34:41 PM 706 Views
they are a problematic enemy - 17/01/2012 11:41:11 PM 1018 Views
stop listening to idiots on the radio *NM* - 16/01/2012 09:16:42 PM 367 Views

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