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Re: I don't see how it does Nate Send a noteboard - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM
Getting a photo ID requires what, an hour of the day, and $20? It's necessary and useful for a whole lot more than elections, so only a very tiny portion of the population is without such ID anyway. Of those people without an ID, the vast majority would be illegal immigrants, wouldn't it? There is nothing wrong with them being unable to vote.


According to the Texas survey I noted in my reply, it's about 7.5 percent of eligible voters (therefore, not counting illegal immigrants) who do not have photo ID. I don't know if that percentage applies across the entire country though. Certainly enough to tilt an election one way or the other if all of them voted compared to none of them voting. Of course the reality of how many do/don't or would/wouldn't is somewhere in between.

What forms of photo ID are there other than driver's licenses that people can get easily? I'm asking out of curiosity, because here in Canada I can't really think of any off the top of my head that I've ever personally encountered. My only photo IDs are my driver's license and an old provincial Metis association card that expired years ago. People who don't have cars and have never driven would have a hard time qualifying for a driver's license, and people who are homeless would have no fixed address to have one mailed to. But there may well be other forms of photo ID one can easily obtain in the US.
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How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 15/01/2012 05:14:16 PM 1807 Views
I certainly don't know. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:32:42 PM 486 Views
From what I understand ... - 15/01/2012 05:34:39 PM 919 Views
but you need a photo ID for so many other things - 15/01/2012 05:42:06 PM 814 Views
Well. - 15/01/2012 05:53:04 PM 959 Views
your last bit is a good point *NM* - 15/01/2012 06:07:17 PM 523 Views
The SCOTUS disagrees with you. - 16/01/2012 03:14:57 AM 770 Views
I didn't even need to show a voter regestration card last time I voted *NM* - 16/01/2012 11:45:23 PM 624 Views
That is kind of pathetic. - 17/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 728 Views
you are not taking my amazing good looks into account - 17/01/2012 11:22:16 AM 673 Views
I cannot speak to that. - 17/01/2012 04:11:53 PM 834 Views
It "disenfranchises" whoever only barely brings him- or herself to vote as it is. - 15/01/2012 05:34:50 PM 823 Views
That really only reinforces the idea to me that this is just people looking to fight about something *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:45:37 PM 475 Views
Did you read your own article? - 15/01/2012 05:48:21 PM 864 Views
but out of that 200,000, how many would go get an ID? - 15/01/2012 06:08:44 PM 821 Views
I think that's an exaggeration, but to play devil's advocate... - 15/01/2012 05:41:10 PM 749 Views
it doesn't strike me as a very big layer to add. *NM* - 15/01/2012 05:43:37 PM 468 Views
Someone presents a poll worker a non-DL photo ID. - 15/01/2012 05:48:50 PM 818 Views
This is a remarkably calm and reasonable political discussion. What's going on? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:05:30 PM 495 Views
I'm magical? *NM* - 15/01/2012 08:59:33 PM 571 Views
It is not a black and white issue - 16/01/2012 01:07:14 AM 839 Views
I prefer to think i'm magical. *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:20:49 AM 483 Views
I don't see any cat nearby, thus no magic was used *nods* *NM* - 16/01/2012 01:28:50 AM 514 Views
that's too obvious. - 16/01/2012 02:48:29 AM 806 Views
You did not just compare a cat to a rabbit - 16/01/2012 03:07:49 AM 821 Views
have you ever had a rabbit? - 16/01/2012 03:25:26 AM 870 Views
A cat would never lower itself assumming the form of a fluffy rabbit - 16/01/2012 12:49:26 PM 881 Views
that's just what they want you to think. - 16/01/2012 02:34:48 PM 751 Views
Viscous does not mean Magical - 16/01/2012 02:45:10 PM 947 Views
Not that I care much either way, but please, answer this: - 15/01/2012 09:26:23 PM 845 Views
definitely not. However, ID cards are free in South Carolina. - 15/01/2012 09:33:06 PM 935 Views
You could walk. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:31:58 AM 478 Views
Oh I could, theoretically. Although this year, my poll is a good 7 miles away - 16/01/2012 08:45:42 AM 968 Views
7 miles away, isn't that illegal? *NM* - 16/01/2012 05:35:50 PM 484 Views
probably, but not really at the same time. It's my own fault regardless. - 16/01/2012 10:46:06 PM 872 Views
Illegal? My polling location is > 7 miles from my permanent residence. - 17/01/2012 12:19:21 AM 812 Views
I really have no idea what the rules are. *NM* - 17/01/2012 03:02:04 PM 485 Views
Every state has its own rules - 17/01/2012 03:54:43 PM 848 Views
No, and there's is no place in the US that is the case - 16/01/2012 12:11:36 AM 862 Views
Short answer: Yes. (Let me know if you want the long answer.) *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:52:36 PM 585 Views
that would be interesting. *NM* - 16/01/2012 08:45:24 PM 496 Views
I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:22:29 PM 880 Views
Re: I don't see how it does - 15/01/2012 10:57:20 PM 828 Views
I believe most states also offer a non-drivers ID issued by the DMV - 16/01/2012 12:12:09 AM 770 Views
Also passports work too in most places. *NM* - 16/01/2012 06:59:51 PM 515 Views
those are far far from economical or practical compared to state IDs *NM* - 16/01/2012 07:12:30 PM 386 Views
Non-driver IDs, as said above - 16/01/2012 11:55:55 PM 844 Views
they don't cost in all states. They are free in SC *NM* - 17/01/2012 12:00:14 AM 498 Views
It is a catch 22 situation, the free id is not a perfect solution - 16/01/2012 12:53:11 AM 882 Views
That problem is significant, but far bigger than voting. - 16/01/2012 02:53:13 AM 847 Views
Also you can't claim voter fraud is a big problem - 16/01/2012 12:57:18 AM 818 Views
can you prove that voter fraud is not a problem? - 16/01/2012 02:04:52 AM 778 Views
In 5 years of investigation, 120 people were charged national with voter fraud, 86 were convincted - 16/01/2012 02:33:07 AM 1001 Views
That's smoke and mirrors - 16/01/2012 01:51:34 PM 897 Views
It seems you didn't read the article, or understand its point - 16/01/2012 02:39:39 PM 824 Views
I suspect I know a good deal more of this subject than the author of your 5-year old article - 16/01/2012 05:37:54 PM 823 Views
Question for you - 16/01/2012 06:01:09 PM 862 Views
I'd prefer photo-ID only but I don't see too great a need. - 16/01/2012 06:37:13 PM 1012 Views
I tend to agree - 16/01/2012 06:50:43 PM 768 Views
I'd definitely encourage absentee voting - 16/01/2012 07:14:02 PM 862 Views
I am required to produce a state ID to vote. - 16/01/2012 02:21:27 PM 882 Views
Re: How does requiring photo ID disenfranchise the black/minority community? - 16/01/2012 02:42:28 PM 808 Views
Keep wearing that tinfoil hat. *NM* - 16/01/2012 03:09:56 PM 499 Views
I'm not reading the article but... - 17/01/2012 09:48:27 AM 802 Views
maybe there's no excuse in your area - 17/01/2012 03:05:53 PM 742 Views
I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 18/01/2012 07:26:10 PM 736 Views
that pretty much sums up my thoughts no it - 18/01/2012 08:57:41 PM 774 Views
Re: I think when you get to such extreme examples, the point often becomes moot. - 21/01/2012 02:44:56 AM 980 Views
Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 21/01/2012 02:15:30 PM 893 Views
Re: Well, that's kind of what I meant. - 28/01/2012 03:48:19 PM 1086 Views
Re: maybe there's no excuse in your area - 21/01/2012 02:39:12 AM 846 Views
What? I'm the only one who cares? - 18/01/2012 02:14:28 AM 955 Views
What? - 18/01/2012 03:57:10 PM 735 Views
What about those who don't have an id and have been voting fine before? - 18/01/2012 06:06:19 PM 957 Views
the problem with that last point is... - 18/01/2012 09:05:43 PM 802 Views
Yes. - 18/01/2012 09:32:25 PM 970 Views
Cry me a river. Honestly. - 20/01/2012 05:28:05 AM 726 Views
What's your real question? - 18/01/2012 05:07:30 PM 773 Views
Question mark notwithstanding, there was no question. - 18/01/2012 06:16:46 PM 872 Views
Be outraged. Be passionate. Be surprised. - 19/01/2012 05:42:37 PM 1009 Views

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