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I'm pretty sure he's not saying it's undeniable proof. LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 09:19:44 AM
That is, people are idiots.

But you know what? Feel free to wish me dead. I am sure your wish will be fulfilled in a few centuries, and then you can count that as a win, too. If I happen to die just when you wish it, I'll support your crazy theory. Of course, I'd be dead, but shit happens.


(Feel free to correct me if I have misinterpreted, Tom. I'm sure you will anyway :P)

Just that the large number experiences of others are sufficient evidence that it is inappropriate to entirely dismiss the theory of something supernatural/whatever.

see my reply above to Vivien. If 75% of a town claim they saw a plane fly overhead, is it not reasonable to leave the question of whether or not a plane flew over open to debate? Simply saying "well they can't PROVE a plane flew over" and dismissing it entirely (as atheism would dismiss the notion of supernatural events) seems illogical to me.
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Kim Jong-il is dead. Would you become a fervent believer? Tom - 19/12/2011 03:37:28 AM 1601 Views
If I was a Christian, I'd pray that he would burn forever in hell. Great Lord of Chaos - 19/12/2011 03:47:52 AM 1007 Views
See, I can't be an atheist. Tom - 19/12/2011 03:53:55 AM 975 Views
I agree about atheism LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 04:19:02 AM 831 Views
It's an approximation. Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:40:05 PM 859 Views
no, I'm not saying that the sheer number of people alone is sufficient LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 10:13:09 PM 751 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. Great Lord of Chaos - 19/12/2011 04:25:06 AM 826 Views
No, Pascal's Wager is stupid. Tim - 19/12/2011 03:09:42 PM 841 Views
You obviously misread my comments or ignored them. Tom - 19/12/2011 03:39:59 PM 853 Views
You're answering a different point to the one I was addressing. Tim - 19/12/2011 04:01:54 PM 771 Views
For atheism to be a tenable position, one must assume that millions lie about their experiences. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:11:53 AM 857 Views
Look, doesn't this go against your most sacred principle? jh - 20/12/2011 06:43:27 AM 823 Views
I'm pretty sure he's not saying it's undeniable proof. LadyLorraine - 20/12/2011 09:19:44 AM 779 Views
No, it doesn't. Tom - 20/12/2011 08:30:55 PM 734 Views
Re: No, it doesn't. jh - 20/12/2011 09:21:22 PM 782 Views
This militant atheism is somewhat amusing. Tom - 20/12/2011 09:48:57 PM 801 Views
... somewhat irrational at times too Isaac - 21/12/2011 01:22:54 AM 716 Views
Huh? snoopcester - 21/12/2011 10:47:06 AM 759 Views
That's somewhat unrelated to the intended point of the post Isaac - 21/12/2011 12:41:49 PM 772 Views
My "Huh?" was at your claim that any reasonable definition Kim Jong-il was a millitant athiest snoopcester - 21/12/2011 12:58:44 PM 756 Views
You're objecting to me calling the Military Dictator militant? Isaac - 21/12/2011 03:13:35 PM 796 Views
Is that the long way of saying you can't back up what you said? snoopcester - 21/12/2011 04:06:06 PM 730 Views
Okay Isaac - 21/12/2011 05:03:07 PM 823 Views
Your position isn't rational nor logical Helene - 20/12/2011 12:45:03 PM 792 Views
I never stated it was either. That's the problem with spiritual matters. Tom - 20/12/2011 08:43:46 PM 717 Views
How about a faith atheist? Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:28:59 PM 906 Views
Nevermind. It appears you answered that in your reply to Tim. *NM* Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:32:19 PM 437 Views
Re: See, I can't be an atheist. snoopcester - 19/12/2011 04:57:23 PM 871 Views
It's impossible to tell if worshipping a false god would be worse than worshipping no god at all. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:14:59 AM 674 Views
Sounds like you must be a modern-day prophet beetnemesis - 19/12/2011 05:24:24 PM 720 Views
Well, it's *possible* that he is. Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:49:34 PM 799 Views
Hah, fair enough beetnemesis - 19/12/2011 06:47:07 PM 758 Views
Idiocy. Confirmation bias doesn't explain away external phenomena. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:19:10 AM 839 Views
Well. Sareitha Sedai - 21/12/2011 01:49:36 PM 745 Views
I didn't forget about it. I was getting ready to give up on it. Tom - 21/12/2011 02:27:18 PM 712 Views
That doesn't really make sense. Sareitha Sedai - 21/12/2011 03:04:23 PM 644 Views
No, it does make perfect sense. Tom - 21/12/2011 06:17:02 PM 784 Views
Also, learn to use the subjunctive. It's "if I WERE a Christian..." Tom - 19/12/2011 03:54:20 AM 830 Views
The sad thing about that comment... Larry - 19/12/2011 04:52:57 AM 957 Views
I'm pretty sure there's plenty of middle ground between those two examples LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 05:31:13 PM 721 Views
Tom is right. Agnosticism is really the only rational posistion. Urza - 20/12/2011 04:17:08 AM 712 Views
Tom, I think this means you should take up ForEx trading. *NM* Urza - 19/12/2011 04:00:20 AM 375 Views
I might. I'm close enough to it as is. I just did some ForEx ISDAs for clients... Tom - 19/12/2011 04:03:11 AM 894 Views
I really am gonna miss Hitchens...a lot *NM* *NM* Roland00 - 19/12/2011 04:06:50 AM 383 Views
I will miss him, too...a lot. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2011 04:17:05 AM 368 Views
so, hypothetically...if I was to send you a list of people... LadyLorraine - 19/12/2011 04:25:47 AM 789 Views
Let's not try that. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:21:35 AM 743 Views
I'm so ronery 김정일 - 19/12/2011 06:36:38 AM 829 Views
I thought you were asking if I believed in KJ-I, the Eternal Leader Praziquantel - 19/12/2011 06:55:08 AM 732 Views
The article I just read said he died on Saturday. Rebekah - 19/12/2011 08:58:17 AM 796 Views
Yeah, he actually died on a train Saturday morning before Tom made the comment. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:13:44 PM 331 Views
I'm not claiming causality. And, for the record, I first made the comment on Friday afternoon. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:25:07 AM 794 Views
You know what's really weird? Isaac - 19/12/2011 11:32:23 AM 798 Views
It has been there for 6 hours at this stage. Stephen - 19/12/2011 12:34:57 PM 872 Views
don't forget Mugabe (sp) Yunalesca - 19/12/2011 01:06:24 PM 707 Views
Zimbabwe basically is dust by now. *NM* Tim - 19/12/2011 02:52:51 PM 362 Views
They took it down, apparently. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:40:24 AM 342 Views
Not surprising, still in the revisions if anyone wants to see of course Isaac - 20/12/2011 11:06:05 AM 944 Views
Turns out Kim Jong really was il? snoopcester - 19/12/2011 12:10:15 PM 761 Views
all praise Madokami! *NM* Yunalesca - 19/12/2011 01:03:26 PM 427 Views
He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. Palatine - 19/12/2011 04:23:48 PM 785 Views
Re: He's not dead-dead. Neither is his father. Just ask the North Koreans. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:15:09 PM 715 Views
That happened to me too. Nate - 19/12/2011 09:45:48 PM 844 Views
Re: That happened to me too. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:48:36 PM 711 Views
Re: Legend Palatine - 20/12/2011 04:54:40 PM 721 Views
I wonder if they're going to embalm him? Tom - 20/12/2011 04:39:33 AM 653 Views
The problem with predictions that come true Vivien - 19/12/2011 05:28:24 PM 820 Views
I don't make a lot of predictions. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2011 08:18:53 PM 483 Views
Well you should start at least journaling the ones that you do make. Vivien - 19/12/2011 08:40:18 PM 785 Views
I actually now do tell my friends when I have dreams that have the "feel" to them. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:36:07 AM 847 Views
Just ones about old, sick guys dying? *NM* Sareitha Sedai - 19/12/2011 09:51:12 PM 331 Views
No, sadly. Tom - 20/12/2011 04:31:44 AM 657 Views
I can attest to the fact that this conversation took place on Facebook Saturday. TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:19:06 PM 726 Views
Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place Isaac - 19/12/2011 09:28:17 PM 736 Views
Re: Yeah, I thought that reply seemed in the wrong place TaskmasterJack - 19/12/2011 09:31:00 PM 731 Views
Yes, TMJ, you also contributed in this case. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:38:42 AM 334 Views
I am not a dog to be petted! TaskmasterJack - 21/12/2011 02:42:55 AM 724 Views
HAHAHAHA!!!! *NM* Tom - 21/12/2011 05:31:06 AM 426 Views
Coincidentally, I found this site today kHz1000 - 19/12/2011 10:57:36 PM 763 Views
Oh, I liked that site. I found it a few years ago. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:37:04 AM 334 Views
Jeez, I hope I never get on your bad side ironclad - 20/12/2011 12:06:54 AM 670 Views
Things did change for the better with Stalin's death. Vivien - 20/12/2011 02:51:12 AM 772 Views
Not for Stalin *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 09:49:39 PM 395 Views
eh, you can't have everything Yunalesca - 20/12/2011 11:08:36 PM 672 Views
So I guess you want me to destroy the voodoo doll I have of you? Oh wait...never mind. *NM* Tom - 20/12/2011 04:37:35 AM 328 Views
Not to downplay your awesomely uncanny coincidence... Avendesora - 20/12/2011 01:19:33 PM 745 Views
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