There are laws if you don't follow the police enforce them. If you refuse to listen to the police they move you, if you refuse to move they use force. This type of stupidity is what we get for letting a bunch of far left nut jobs take over our universities and indoctrinate our young into the idea that what see from OWS is honorable behavior. Sorry but civil disobedience is not a right while being able to walk down a public sidewalk is. They need to bring pout the fire hoses and clean the streets.
As for wanting the police to use do what they think is right instead of following the law you might find that what they think is right is to crack the head of the punks throwing batteries and piss on them.
As for wanting the police to use do what they think is right instead of following the law you might find that what they think is right is to crack the head of the punks throwing batteries and piss on them.
I happen to agree with you, in a sense; I have the utmost respect for civil disobedience, but civil disobedience implicitly invites certain legal consequences, and should therefore not be attempted by those unwilling to accept those consequences. In addition to coining the term "civil disobedience," Thoreau went to jail for practicing it, and quarreled fiercely with his friend and mentor, Emerson, when the latter paid the fine securing his release. The whole point of passive resistance is to not just refuse participation in a flawed system, but passively resist it, accept the consequence of that and thereby expose and spotlight flaws one seeks to change. Martin Luther King did the same, and Gandhi, and pretty much all the heroes of civil disobedience and civil rights, and none of them resorted to hurling things at police or soldiers in the process. People who just show up to hurl insults and projectiles at policemen then claim the resultant arrests are inherently abusive are not activists, but just the very malcontents, malingerers and muckrakers many OWSers are accused of being. Those actions are destructive, not constructive, worsen rather than remedy social ills, and are therefore unworthy of support.
That said, painting every demonstrator with that broad brush is unfair. As noted in my response to Cannoli, it is a disservice to the legacy of men like Thoreau, Gandhi and King to lump them in with every shiftless disgruntled vagrant who would rather pick a fight with the nearest cop than get a job. Sometimes greivances are valid, which is why the Constitution explicitly asserts Americans right both to petition for their redress and to PEACEABLY assemble for that and other reasons. Many of the greivances from OWS are valid. Unfortunately, too many of those protesters too often express them in offensive and pointlessly confrontational ways, and seem largely lacking any constructive suggestions on how to remedy the social flaws they perceive, but seeking legitimate goals in illegitimate ways makes only the means, not the ends, unacceptable. Deliberate provocation undermines their effectiveness, but pretending it invalidates all their arguments is the same kind of oversimplified, willful and counterproductive ignorance of which they are guilty. When 10% of the country is unemployed and nearly as many cannot get enough work to pay their bills, telling them to sit down and shut up when they complain about it only worsens the problem.
It is also a little hypocritical in people who defend the rights of demonstrators with whom they sympathize to warn the Fed Chairman to avoid TX because he would not be safe there, or insist there is nothing wrong with a rabble rouser telling her followers "don't retreat, reload." I naturally see that threat police "WILL be treated in the manner deserved of enemy combatants the world over" in the same light, but anyone who deems that kind of language acceptable from partisans on their own side should have no objection to it from those on the other. For my part, it is wrong in all cases, and that I expected it from OWS for many of the same reasons I expected it from the Tea Party is much of why, despite sharing many of their political views, I had no desire to lend OWS my support. Beyond that, all I can say is that at least they are not publicly advocating treason or secession, which is more than I can say for Todd Palin or Rick Perry.
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LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
An Open Letter to Police Officers Across America
20/11/2011 03:27:46 AM
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Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
20/11/2011 03:59:42 AM
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I am forced to agree.
20/11/2011 04:37:07 AM
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You're right, but stuff like what just happened at UC Davis makes my blood boil
20/11/2011 05:52:11 AM
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As such things go, that does not seem too bad to me.
20/11/2011 06:14:54 AM
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I'm going to start a counter protest with "Bring back the Pinkertons" signs...
20/11/2011 05:19:19 AM
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One of the most poorly written pieces of shit I've read in a long time. *NM*
20/11/2011 06:30:29 AM
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Declaring people "enemy combatants" means they get to treat you as such too.
20/11/2011 01:55:51 PM
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Don't cloud the propaganda with logic, Tim!
20/11/2011 04:16:05 PM
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That's the problem with a two-party system: it's practically impossible to form a new party. *NM*
20/11/2011 05:42:39 PM
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And implicit in my statement above is the following addendum
20/11/2011 06:14:40 PM
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I agree with that. However, many seem to think that means it's OK to beat them up.
20/11/2011 06:21:05 PM
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Only if they resist arrest, and then the force must be proportionate. *NM*
20/11/2011 09:52:39 PM
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If they resist a lawful arrest, sure. *NM*
21/11/2011 11:11:11 AM
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they are breaking the law so it is lawful to arrest them *NM*
21/11/2011 10:46:18 PM
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In what way?
22/11/2011 09:12:01 AM
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Resisting arrest. Duh. *NM*
22/11/2011 10:11:04 AM
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They have to be doing something else before you can lawfully arrest them.
22/11/2011 10:30:05 AM
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Then they should be doing what the police say. Because that's the law. *NM*
22/11/2011 02:28:00 PM
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You're a smart guy, Ghavrel. You can't seriously think you have to do *anything* the police say.
22/11/2011 03:05:06 PM
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You are not allowed to just block sidewalks and camp wherever you want
22/11/2011 01:54:42 PM
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Most, if not all, of the arrests have been lawful.
22/11/2011 01:24:55 AM
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Can you tell me any more about this permit system? *NM*
22/11/2011 10:04:35 AM
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Thereby hangs the tale, indeed; I would also be interested in Toms elaboration on that.
23/11/2011 08:54:53 AM
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(OWS isn't anti-capitalism)
20/11/2011 06:39:37 PM
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It's almost impossible for you to say what OWS is when it refuses to define itself.
20/11/2011 08:44:12 PM
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Re: It's almost impossible for you to say what OWS is when it refuses to define itself.
22/11/2011 04:20:59 AM
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Why are liberals such whiners?
21/11/2011 01:51:03 PM
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There you go again....
21/11/2011 11:05:04 PM
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it is a little hypocritical of the guy who called the Tea Party racsit to talk about broad brushes *NM*
22/11/2011 04:02:56 AM
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One of these days you should try responding to me with more than "that thing you just said? YOU!"
22/11/2011 06:11:20 AM
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one of these days you will respond without going into off topic rants
22/11/2011 02:02:46 PM
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A tangent is not a non sequitur, though in this case I do not feel guilty of either.
23/11/2011 08:12:09 AM
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oh and stop with the the stupid BS about the Fed veing threatened it is getting old
22/11/2011 04:05:10 AM
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Saying a person would not like what one did to him if he came to ones state is a threat.
22/11/2011 06:13:35 AM
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No it is just another pathetic attempt of the left to believe the right are bad guys
22/11/2011 01:50:32 PM
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Saying one will take an unpleasant action against another is a threat, any way you slice it.
23/11/2011 08:17:44 AM
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You've posted this, but you don't seem inclined to defend it, one might ask what the point was?
21/11/2011 05:16:13 PM
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