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So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? Dan Send a noteboard - 21/11/2011 03:31:04 AM
I'm talking about apart from how the actual Occupy Wall Street protests turned out, which is not good, do you think there was absolutely nothing objectionable going on in our current system of Government and Finance that merited a protest? Work may not be a right, but certainly we have a right not to be misled and robbed by corporations taking advantage of Government laxity.




Now it's about whining publicly without actually affecting any true change or even having a clear message/platform to stand upon.

When I was young (from 10 on) I was working, regardless of whether I was paid, I had a job (familial or other neighborhood work) ... when I got old enough to go on to college, I chose a 2 year degree path where 99% of my friends chose 4 year degrees to go after. I paid for it myself and with student loans that have been repaid (2 years out of college I was debt free).

I knew my goal was to come out of college with something that could and would assist me in finding employment, now, kids go to school as a right of passage to get their party phase done with ... and as Tom mentions in his post they take ridiculous degree fields and then whine when they cannot find practical employment in said degree. College education is not a right, it's a privelege, and one that if planned out and used appropriately, in conjunction with the proper work ethic, can yield a good paying, truly career oriented job.

It seems as if people today believe that what they want to do is the same thing as what they should do. "I think I'm really deep, so I should be a philosopher! .... then wham, bam, thankyou Ma'am ... I'll have a high paying job as a philosopher!" Which in the real world is not the case at all.

There is an essential lie that people of the OWS/etc are believing ... and it's being perpetuated by their myopic and self deluded pack mentality - it's this LIE: I am entitled.

College isn't a right. Working isn't a right. High pay isn't a right. It is merely a matter of A. planning properly, B. executing that plan. C. picking up and adjusting to change if unforseen circumstances affect your plan.

Aisha's friend (from her post) seems to have a rough go of it - but that's life ... if the OWS people want the Gov't to protect them from Real life - they might as well commit suicide, because it's probably a better/faster resolution than waiting on the Gov't. to solve one's problems. People do what they have to survive, or they fail and become a dreg. If I lost my job tomorrow I would be doing whatever I could to regain some gainful employment, even if not in my field, even with lower pay ... because ultimately I believe in self determination, and by whining about something which the Gov't can't control and expecting instant change, you are merely perpetuating your own childhood.

Ultimately it is to the individual to care for themselves ... the fantasy world these particular protests are occuring under is only going to harm the participants, because right now, someone else from their graduating class is out there pounding the pavement somewhere and will find a job well ahead of them ...

(I am aware that it is not just unruly college kids protesting, but the general cross section matches that demographic ... so forgive my generalizing, but it had to be done based on the posts above).


-Roon





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An Open Letter to All People with Nothing Better To Do - 20/11/2011 10:49:21 AM 1748 Views
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Completely agree. *NM* - 20/11/2011 07:44:10 PM 594 Views
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You has? Sorry...it was too good to pass up. *NM* - 20/11/2011 10:40:48 PM 482 Views
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I understand that, and agree to a certain extent. - 20/11/2011 11:53:30 PM 823 Views
Well... - 21/11/2011 05:39:09 AM 793 Views
Hm. Those are all very sensible points. Food for thought. *NM* - 21/11/2011 06:06:24 AM 432 Views
To take it a step further - 21/11/2011 02:36:49 AM 788 Views
I agree 100%. - 21/11/2011 05:41:40 AM 728 Views
they are. - 21/11/2011 06:55:27 PM 770 Views
HUZZAH! Very well said. - 20/11/2011 01:20:48 PM 775 Views
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there ARE plenty of jobs - 20/11/2011 06:14:30 PM 899 Views
Excercise in creative thinking... - 20/11/2011 06:45:49 PM 880 Views
Take an economics course. Learn about structural unemployment. - 20/11/2011 11:50:40 PM 808 Views
*NM* - 21/11/2011 05:13:39 AM 489 Views
I'm sorry dude, but there ARE jobs. - 20/11/2011 07:21:21 PM 862 Views
but what kind of jobs? - 20/11/2011 08:08:58 PM 687 Views
"My plastic surgeon" WTF Aisha - 20/11/2011 08:36:13 PM 918 Views
Im a nurse - 20/11/2011 09:24:14 PM 801 Views
job that pay money - 20/11/2011 08:57:55 PM 843 Views
lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take - 20/11/2011 09:35:07 PM 830 Views
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That's a shitty situation - 21/11/2011 12:24:20 AM 742 Views
While it is true that the plural of anecdote is not data... - 21/11/2011 12:34:35 AM 666 Views
no I realize that - 21/11/2011 12:57:06 AM 639 Views
First of all, I worked at a dairy and have a friend who busses tables. - 20/11/2011 10:32:39 PM 802 Views
Thats a big problem, Aisha - 22/11/2011 06:42:18 AM 748 Views
Not in Michigan. *NM* - 21/11/2011 05:11:40 AM 469 Views
...I feel like you've been getting all of your information from TV News. This isn't about bills. - 20/11/2011 04:35:13 PM 803 Views
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I may need to be more concise about something - 20/11/2011 06:53:58 PM 849 Views
Re: Better question is have you been to any of them? - 20/11/2011 07:00:30 PM 717 Views
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You know what he meant. - 20/11/2011 09:32:59 PM 830 Views
Pretty sure the inception of corporations was not 1886. - 22/11/2011 05:45:31 AM 795 Views
You do realize... - 22/11/2011 06:01:47 AM 751 Views
Almost anything CAN happen. - 22/11/2011 07:43:31 AM 792 Views
You're right. I will hand you your ass on this one. If you give me gloves before touching it. - 23/11/2011 02:26:35 PM 797 Views
That looks a little shaky. - 23/11/2011 05:42:39 PM 822 Views
Funny how once we as a society used protesting for non personal gain ... - 20/11/2011 08:49:37 PM 880 Views
I love this post. *NM* - 20/11/2011 09:06:49 PM 479 Views
Good post - 20/11/2011 09:13:12 PM 829 Views
Then why don't the unemployed ... - 20/11/2011 10:36:36 PM 736 Views
The UN is clearly out of touch with reality. - 20/11/2011 10:44:44 PM 825 Views
"There is no right to work"? - 22/11/2011 05:50:30 AM 815 Views
Also, do you even have a job yet? *NM* - 22/11/2011 06:02:11 AM 450 Views
Ikke ennĂ¥. - 22/11/2011 07:28:27 AM 796 Views
A simple no would suffice. *NM* - 22/11/2011 07:32:27 AM 512 Views
Well, that was little more than a simple no. - 22/11/2011 07:57:11 AM 723 Views
So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 21/11/2011 03:31:04 AM 821 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 04:15:30 AM 795 Views
I am also not Dan. - 22/11/2011 06:08:06 AM 679 Views
Re: So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest? - 22/11/2011 06:47:25 AM 883 Views

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