So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest?
Dan Send a noteboard - 21/11/2011 03:31:04 AM
I'm talking about apart from how the actual Occupy Wall Street protests turned out, which is not good, do you think there was absolutely nothing objectionable going on in our current system of Government and Finance that merited a protest? Work may not be a right, but certainly we have a right not to be misled and robbed by corporations taking advantage of Government laxity.
Now it's about whining publicly without actually affecting any true change or even having a clear message/platform to stand upon.
When I was young (from 10 on) I was working, regardless of whether I was paid, I had a job (familial or other neighborhood work) ... when I got old enough to go on to college, I chose a 2 year degree path where 99% of my friends chose 4 year degrees to go after. I paid for it myself and with student loans that have been repaid (2 years out of college I was debt free).
I knew my goal was to come out of college with something that could and would assist me in finding employment, now, kids go to school as a right of passage to get their party phase done with ... and as Tom mentions in his post they take ridiculous degree fields and then whine when they cannot find practical employment in said degree. College education is not a right, it's a privelege, and one that if planned out and used appropriately, in conjunction with the proper work ethic, can yield a good paying, truly career oriented job.
It seems as if people today believe that what they want to do is the same thing as what they should do. "I think I'm really deep, so I should be a philosopher! .... then wham, bam, thankyou Ma'am ... I'll have a high paying job as a philosopher!" Which in the real world is not the case at all.
There is an essential lie that people of the OWS/etc are believing ... and it's being perpetuated by their myopic and self deluded pack mentality - it's this LIE: I am entitled.
College isn't a right. Working isn't a right. High pay isn't a right. It is merely a matter of A. planning properly, B. executing that plan. C. picking up and adjusting to change if unforseen circumstances affect your plan.
Aisha's friend (from her post) seems to have a rough go of it - but that's life ... if the OWS people want the Gov't to protect them from Real life - they might as well commit suicide, because it's probably a better/faster resolution than waiting on the Gov't. to solve one's problems. People do what they have to survive, or they fail and become a dreg. If I lost my job tomorrow I would be doing whatever I could to regain some gainful employment, even if not in my field, even with lower pay ... because ultimately I believe in self determination, and by whining about something which the Gov't can't control and expecting instant change, you are merely perpetuating your own childhood.
Ultimately it is to the individual to care for themselves ... the fantasy world these particular protests are occuring under is only going to harm the participants, because right now, someone else from their graduating class is out there pounding the pavement somewhere and will find a job well ahead of them ...
(I am aware that it is not just unruly college kids protesting, but the general cross section matches that demographic ... so forgive my generalizing, but it had to be done based on the posts above).
-Roon
When I was young (from 10 on) I was working, regardless of whether I was paid, I had a job (familial or other neighborhood work) ... when I got old enough to go on to college, I chose a 2 year degree path where 99% of my friends chose 4 year degrees to go after. I paid for it myself and with student loans that have been repaid (2 years out of college I was debt free).
I knew my goal was to come out of college with something that could and would assist me in finding employment, now, kids go to school as a right of passage to get their party phase done with ... and as Tom mentions in his post they take ridiculous degree fields and then whine when they cannot find practical employment in said degree. College education is not a right, it's a privelege, and one that if planned out and used appropriately, in conjunction with the proper work ethic, can yield a good paying, truly career oriented job.
It seems as if people today believe that what they want to do is the same thing as what they should do. "I think I'm really deep, so I should be a philosopher! .... then wham, bam, thankyou Ma'am ... I'll have a high paying job as a philosopher!" Which in the real world is not the case at all.
There is an essential lie that people of the OWS/etc are believing ... and it's being perpetuated by their myopic and self deluded pack mentality - it's this LIE: I am entitled.
College isn't a right. Working isn't a right. High pay isn't a right. It is merely a matter of A. planning properly, B. executing that plan. C. picking up and adjusting to change if unforseen circumstances affect your plan.
Aisha's friend (from her post) seems to have a rough go of it - but that's life ... if the OWS people want the Gov't to protect them from Real life - they might as well commit suicide, because it's probably a better/faster resolution than waiting on the Gov't. to solve one's problems. People do what they have to survive, or they fail and become a dreg. If I lost my job tomorrow I would be doing whatever I could to regain some gainful employment, even if not in my field, even with lower pay ... because ultimately I believe in self determination, and by whining about something which the Gov't can't control and expecting instant change, you are merely perpetuating your own childhood.
Ultimately it is to the individual to care for themselves ... the fantasy world these particular protests are occuring under is only going to harm the participants, because right now, someone else from their graduating class is out there pounding the pavement somewhere and will find a job well ahead of them ...
(I am aware that it is not just unruly college kids protesting, but the general cross section matches that demographic ... so forgive my generalizing, but it had to be done based on the posts above).
-Roon
An Open Letter to All People with Nothing Better To Do
20/11/2011 10:49:21 AM
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Huzah! A man chooses and a slave obeys! *NM*
20/11/2011 10:56:42 AM
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Yeah, 'cos YTs comments are all about disobedience, and the OWSers are all about submission.
20/11/2011 12:24:36 PM
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Actually, my comment are about taking responsibility for yourself. *NM*
20/11/2011 05:48:33 PM
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As usual you miss the point completely. *NM*
20/11/2011 08:27:02 PM
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You want people vocally refusing slavery to return to slavery; I got the point.
21/11/2011 11:24:21 PM
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If what I was saying amounted to that than what your arguing for would to...
22/11/2011 06:32:04 AM
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This is also not about you; the response to which you replied here has been edited accordingly.
22/11/2011 08:10:21 AM
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How much violence has there actually been?
20/11/2011 12:35:54 PM
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Re: How much violence has there actually been?
20/11/2011 12:44:00 PM
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Because it's easy.
20/11/2011 12:49:02 PM
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I think it's great that student loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy.
20/11/2011 06:27:27 PM
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Asian parents have the right idea
20/11/2011 08:49:39 PM
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because that's not a huge generalization of an entire race...
20/11/2011 09:05:26 PM
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every pakistani, indian, viet, chinese, cambodian person I know (and thats a lot) ....
20/11/2011 09:27:34 PM
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I had a lot of asian peers in class growing up with parents who were not like that
20/11/2011 10:35:45 PM
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I understand that, and agree to a certain extent.
20/11/2011 11:53:30 PM
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To take it a step further
21/11/2011 02:36:49 AM
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Fees are mostly increasing because of tuition increase caps paired with state funding cuts
21/11/2011 01:50:02 PM
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Ultimately, there is only black and white, but they mix freely and liberally in the real world.
21/11/2011 11:38:34 PM
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HUZZAH! Very well said.
20/11/2011 01:20:48 PM
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Our leaders should be held accountable for refusing to lead, and we for accepting that.
22/11/2011 12:09:51 AM
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I think people were jeering OWS for not being "focused" because there are so many damn problems
20/11/2011 04:54:24 PM
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Largely true, in many respects; again, the Tea Party had much the same problem for the same reasons.
22/11/2011 12:26:29 AM
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It is WEIRD when Ron Paul consistently comes off as the least insane GOP candidate
22/11/2011 02:56:33 AM
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Yeah, I recall that link, and still do not entirely agree with it.
22/11/2011 04:16:13 AM
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"There are plenty of jobs and pay"... Do you read the news? *NM*
20/11/2011 12:42:30 PM
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Yep, there are lots of jobs...
20/11/2011 05:49:58 PM
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Re: Yep, there are lots of jobs...
22/11/2011 04:01:35 AM
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I know about a dozen Philosophy Majors off the top of my head, all of whom are gainfully employed.
22/11/2011 11:36:47 AM
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Re:I know about a dozen Philosophy Majors off the top of my head,all of whom are gainfully employed.
24/11/2011 04:30:00 AM
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Excercise in creative thinking...
20/11/2011 06:45:49 PM
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So you think there's no real unemployment problem aside from people being lazy and entitled? *NM*
21/11/2011 03:32:16 AM
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I'm sorry dude, but there ARE jobs.
20/11/2011 07:21:21 PM
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but what kind of jobs?
20/11/2011 08:08:58 PM
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"My plastic surgeon" WTF Aisha
20/11/2011 08:36:13 PM
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Im a nurse
20/11/2011 09:24:14 PM
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You had me worried about the young girl I used to know for a moment. *NM*
21/11/2011 01:01:04 AM
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I actually have a lot of respect for plastic surgeons outside pure cosmetics
21/11/2011 01:02:59 AM
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job that pay money
20/11/2011 08:57:55 PM
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lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take
20/11/2011 09:35:07 PM
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Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take
20/11/2011 10:29:16 PM
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Re: lets face it. all the jobs you just mentioned are jobs illegals take
21/11/2011 12:19:52 AM
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That's a shitty situation
21/11/2011 12:24:20 AM
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First of all, I worked at a dairy and have a friend who busses tables.
20/11/2011 10:32:39 PM
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Actually it is the case in some parts of America. Just not the parts that get mentioned.
22/11/2011 04:05:44 AM
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Doesn't matter when people aren't there, or people don't have the required skills.
20/11/2011 11:51:53 PM
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If you can drive a truck I can get you a job tommorw hauling sand for fracing *NM*
02/09/2012 09:32:39 PM
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...I feel like you've been getting all of your information from TV News. This isn't about bills.
20/11/2011 04:35:13 PM
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Wait...you think there is a problem with courts treating corporations as persons?
20/11/2011 08:33:43 PM
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You know what he meant.
20/11/2011 09:32:59 PM
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You're talking about the Supreme Court case Citizens United v. Federal Elections Commission.
20/11/2011 10:38:43 PM
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Pretty sure the inception of corporations was not 1886.
22/11/2011 05:45:31 AM
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You do realize...
22/11/2011 06:01:47 AM
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Almost anything CAN happen.
22/11/2011 07:43:31 AM
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Actually I think we should be prosecuting these people
22/11/2011 07:46:56 AM
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Well, this is a red letter day; I agree with nearly, perhaps ENTIRELY, all of what you said here.
22/11/2011 07:59:42 AM
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You're right. I will hand you your ass on this one. If you give me gloves before touching it.
23/11/2011 02:26:35 PM
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Funny how once we as a society used protesting for non personal gain ...
20/11/2011 08:49:37 PM
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Good post
20/11/2011 09:13:12 PM
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The UN is clearly out of touch with reality.
20/11/2011 10:44:44 PM
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"There is no right to work"?
22/11/2011 05:50:30 AM
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That would be a legal right relating to unions not a basic human right. *NM*
22/11/2011 05:57:34 AM
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Right; there is a right to work when it suits you, and not when it does not.
22/11/2011 07:16:40 AM
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...do you know what "right-to-work" in those states entails?
22/11/2011 07:55:02 AM
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I would not pretend to be an authority on it, no, but broadly speaking, yes.
22/11/2011 08:12:50 AM
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Also, do you even have a job yet? *NM*
22/11/2011 06:02:11 AM
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Ikke ennĂ¥.
22/11/2011 07:28:27 AM
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So do you think there is no cause whatsoever for protest?
21/11/2011 03:31:04 AM
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I don't think the protest is about being people feeling entitled
22/11/2011 07:45:50 AM
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Re: I don't think the protest is about being people feeling entitled
24/11/2011 03:07:09 AM
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