Not that I am saying it was justified against people just passively sitting there, but you have to admit it was not exactly Kent State all over again. To be fair, this is the first I have heard of it, so I do not know much about the context or the full extent of the incident; I did find it interesting when I googled it just now that even the article on it in the notoriously conservative Washington Times was fairly critical (and, for anyone unaware of what that means, while I was there I saw a link to another times article on "Obamas denigrate America tour.")
Pretty much never, though there have been some surprising examples of the people responsible walking away unscathed. The Bonus Army is the one that always comes to mind for me: Douglas MacArthur ordered the army to attack (twice,) George Patton led a cavalry charge against a tent city occupied by veterans and their families and both men went on to fame and glory in the Second World War a decade later.
Of course, all of that goes out the window as soon as any protestor initiates violence, and even defensive violence can destroy public support if it is not VERY CLEARLY self defence. At that point the moral highground is lost and the protest is guaranteed a status somewhere between the Haymarket Riots and John Browns raid on Harpers Ferry.
You mean insluting and demeaning to the legacy of hippies? I dunno; in retrospect I cannot help feeling a lot of hippies were just spoiled middle class draft dodgers who wanted to get wasted and laid, and as soon as they no longer had to fear the draft they bought in, piled on and sold out.
Of course, what really irritates me is that people seem to have no historical context. Like, take a look at any of the giant protest movements over the last 100 years. When, in ANY of them, has the history sided with "police officers who attack unarmed protesters?"
Pretty much never, though there have been some surprising examples of the people responsible walking away unscathed. The Bonus Army is the one that always comes to mind for me: Douglas MacArthur ordered the army to attack (twice,) George Patton led a cavalry charge against a tent city occupied by veterans and their families and both men went on to fame and glory in the Second World War a decade later.
Of course, all of that goes out the window as soon as any protestor initiates violence, and even defensive violence can destroy public support if it is not VERY CLEARLY self defence. At that point the moral highground is lost and the protest is guaranteed a status somewhere between the Haymarket Riots and John Browns raid on Harpers Ferry.
Also, people using the word "hippie" simply because they're protesters. It's 2011, that's like calling anyone in a Starbucks a "beatnik."
Ugh.
Ugh.
You mean insluting and demeaning to the legacy of hippies? I dunno; in retrospect I cannot help feeling a lot of hippies were just spoiled middle class draft dodgers who wanted to get wasted and laid, and as soon as they no longer had to fear the draft they bought in, piled on and sold out.
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Slightly better than chocolate.
Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!
LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
An Open Letter to Police Officers Across America
20/11/2011 03:27:46 AM
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Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
20/11/2011 03:59:42 AM
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I am forced to agree.
20/11/2011 04:37:07 AM
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You're right, but stuff like what just happened at UC Davis makes my blood boil
20/11/2011 05:52:11 AM
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As such things go, that does not seem too bad to me.
20/11/2011 06:14:54 AM
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I'm going to start a counter protest with "Bring back the Pinkertons" signs...
20/11/2011 05:19:19 AM
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One of the most poorly written pieces of shit I've read in a long time. *NM*
20/11/2011 06:30:29 AM
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Declaring people "enemy combatants" means they get to treat you as such too.
20/11/2011 01:55:51 PM
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Don't cloud the propaganda with logic, Tim!
20/11/2011 04:16:05 PM
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That's the problem with a two-party system: it's practically impossible to form a new party. *NM*
20/11/2011 05:42:39 PM
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And implicit in my statement above is the following addendum
20/11/2011 06:14:40 PM
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I agree with that. However, many seem to think that means it's OK to beat them up.
20/11/2011 06:21:05 PM
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Only if they resist arrest, and then the force must be proportionate. *NM*
20/11/2011 09:52:39 PM
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If they resist a lawful arrest, sure. *NM*
21/11/2011 11:11:11 AM
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they are breaking the law so it is lawful to arrest them *NM*
21/11/2011 10:46:18 PM
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In what way?
22/11/2011 09:12:01 AM
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Resisting arrest. Duh. *NM*
22/11/2011 10:11:04 AM
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They have to be doing something else before you can lawfully arrest them.
22/11/2011 10:30:05 AM
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Then they should be doing what the police say. Because that's the law. *NM*
22/11/2011 02:28:00 PM
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You're a smart guy, Ghavrel. You can't seriously think you have to do *anything* the police say.
22/11/2011 03:05:06 PM
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You are not allowed to just block sidewalks and camp wherever you want
22/11/2011 01:54:42 PM
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Most, if not all, of the arrests have been lawful.
22/11/2011 01:24:55 AM
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Can you tell me any more about this permit system? *NM*
22/11/2011 10:04:35 AM
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Thereby hangs the tale, indeed; I would also be interested in Toms elaboration on that.
23/11/2011 08:54:53 AM
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(OWS isn't anti-capitalism)
20/11/2011 06:39:37 PM
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It's almost impossible for you to say what OWS is when it refuses to define itself.
20/11/2011 08:44:12 PM
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Re: It's almost impossible for you to say what OWS is when it refuses to define itself.
22/11/2011 04:20:59 AM
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Why are liberals such whiners?
21/11/2011 01:51:03 PM
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There you go again....
21/11/2011 11:05:04 PM
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it is a little hypocritical of the guy who called the Tea Party racsit to talk about broad brushes *NM*
22/11/2011 04:02:56 AM
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One of these days you should try responding to me with more than "that thing you just said? YOU!"
22/11/2011 06:11:20 AM
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one of these days you will respond without going into off topic rants
22/11/2011 02:02:46 PM
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A tangent is not a non sequitur, though in this case I do not feel guilty of either.
23/11/2011 08:12:09 AM
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oh and stop with the the stupid BS about the Fed veing threatened it is getting old
22/11/2011 04:05:10 AM
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Saying a person would not like what one did to him if he came to ones state is a threat.
22/11/2011 06:13:35 AM
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No it is just another pathetic attempt of the left to believe the right are bad guys
22/11/2011 01:50:32 PM
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Saying one will take an unpleasant action against another is a threat, any way you slice it.
23/11/2011 08:17:44 AM
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You've posted this, but you don't seem inclined to defend it, one might ask what the point was?
21/11/2011 05:16:13 PM
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