You mean mockery like your little post to me trying to throw my reply to danny back in face or by calling me childish? Be condescending or be a hypocrite but try to avoid being a condescending hypocrite. This is the part where you justify your mockery by saying you were only responding to mine.

Get off your fucking high horse. It was light jab and no reason for you to get your panties all wadded up. You can claim they you would have objected to the Tea Baggers remarks but they were made pretty often on this site and you never seemed to suffer from panty wad then. When I objected to people around here calling them tea baggers neither you nor any of the other sensitive type around here rushed to me defense but let someone make fun of a lefty group and suddenly we need “stop all this childish behavior and treat people with respect”. Sorry but my natural reaction to that sort of double standards is fuck that.

Flea Party is more of a joke than an insult anyways, hell I heard it from a friend of mine who is going downtown to support Occupy Dallas this weekend. I don’t know any Tea Party people who think being called racist or tea baggers was funny.

Over and over I see people on this site complain about tone but they never call out people they like or agree with. Greg used to take great pleasure in sharp personal insults only to be gushed over by the same people who want to lecture other people about tone. Mostly it is the female lefties around who behave this way but I will tell you the same thing I tell them. When I see you get offended by over the top statements from the left towards the right and not just like this time when you are indirectly criticizing someone on the left to justify directly criticizing someone on the right I will start taking you seriously.



You ask a question I answered it. Why is that confusing to you? If you don't like the answer say so but please stop with damn sermons. Your question was “how is the Tea Party a group with legitimate concerns, but Occupy is just a bunch of unwashed hippies who don't want to get a job?” I answered that the tea party was legitimate because they behaved themselves in a more legitimate faction. All this crap about objecting to them because of their ideology is really just you assuming I said things I didn’t say. You know in the future you really don’t need to guess about what I saying or try and read some made up stereotype crap into my statements. I am pretty blunt and I can promise you I don’t fit into ant pigeon holes you have be taught to use for people who disagree with you are have the audacity to challenge something you said. Because I hate to break it to but we are not arguing, you would to start responding with to what I said for this to rise to the level of argument. Right now it is mostly pissing moaning and fantasy.




Sorry if we are going to discuss this like grownups lets stop this sort of silly" you will just dismiss my evidence that I don’t actually have" argument when we both know (or should) that the Tea Party movement was much more civilized and well behaved affair. The almost complete lack of violence (and almost all of that created by counter protesters) and the complete absence of police needing teargas should be enough to settle that.

You rant on for paragraphs attacking an argument I never made and just dismiss the actual argument because you can’t be bothered to address it. ?????




The Tea Party movement was unhappy about very specific things and more importantly they went about expressing that unhappiness in a much more socially acceptable way. It wasn't this unfocused "screw the man" BS we are seeing from OWS. The Tea Party for the most part knew what they were upset about and had at least an idea of what they wanted done to correct it. (That idea had some serious logical flaws but that is relevant here) I don't see the from OSW people. The idea that I oppose what OSW is trying to accomplish is fairly absurd considering they don’t even seem to know what that is. How can I oppose and idea that the supports can’t even articulate?



Why does it matter if one is working inside the system? Well one makes you a legitimate political movement and the other makes you just protesters. Both have their place but they are not the same thing and shouldn't be treated as such. From what I can see the OWS people seem more interested in protesting then trying offer solutions and they seem to think they have the right to interfere with other peoples right and to not suffer consequences for civil disobedience. I guess that is what we get for a generation of students be taught by far left professors that civil disobedience was noble cause in and of it self and that real problem is the rest of society.




No but again I don't believe I have made any statements about their goals outside of saying they were socialist. The methods they should not affect the opinion of their goals but damn should be used to affect the opinion of the group trying to accomplish those goals.



OK I know stereotypes are really hard for people to get around when they get them deeply imbedded in their thoughts but you need to get over the idea that I am a tea party supporter. I don't like populist movements in general and the tea party is no exception to that. I do have problem with the way they were treated by the media and others. Feel free to continue to claim that you would have called out anyone who called them things like tea baggers but the reality is very few people were willing to defend them. I defend their right to do what they did even if I didn't agree with them on some of their points. I defend the OWS people’s right to protest. I also defend the police’s right to pepper spray them if them will not obey the law. You have a right to protest but you don't have a right to interfere with other people's lives. There are a multitude of legal ways to speak but you they isn't what but you can’t force other people to listen to you.



You seem to be expending a huge amount of energy on this point and I am not sure why since it really is irrelevant. We are discussing the way we treat the groups not if should do what they want. They action of the group should affect how we treat them and our opinion of them. I will say it is naive to think that the actions of group will affect the opinion of that groups goals but I agree we should try and avoid it. If Gandhi had been going around kicking puppies he would have undermined the whole pacifist thing and probably would have undermined his cause. Doesn’t matter if you think that is good or a bad thing and since I never really mentioned the goals of OWS not sure why you seem to focus on it.



Please point out where you believe I made that argument.



That is not the question the question is do both groups deserve to be treated the same based on the way they have conducted themselves. I still am a little confused where you got this whole "judge their goals based on the actions" argument. Now I do think it is fair to criticize the group on the fact that beyond being disruptive they really don't seem to have much in the way goals or the ability to state what their goals are but I don’t believe I mentioned that in my response to you.



Maybe you should go back and read what you actually wrote. You started by asking a question and I answered that question. I never even mentioned anything about your argument that both sides are angry. That I agree with.

You seem to be confusing the movement with the goals of the movement. It isn't fair to dismiss a group’s goals out of hand based on their action but it is fair to dismiss a movement based on their actions. If another group wants to take over those goals and pursue them in a more coherent and responsible manner that will be a different story then I don’t think we should judge those goals based on the actions of OWS.



Again get the fuck off your high horse. If you don't want your statements challenged keep them to yourself. If you don't want your questions answered don't ask them.

And fuck you with “do you just like to argue” shit. This was a discussion about an issue and I gave my opinion if you don’t like me responding you that is really your problem. Personally I prefer discussing issues with people who have differing opinion but I guess some people prefer echo chambers.




The irony is the shallow understanding part seems to apply to you here. I posted about their actions but you have been going on and on about the ideology. Yes I did say they were socialist in my very last sentence but the meat of my argument was based on their actions. Which you of course dismissed in order to lecture me about proper debate manners.



I would be willing to bet that you are so focused on what think I believe that you have blinded yourself to what I have actually said. Try being a little more open minded in the future and don’t let your emotions over ride your eyes.








All I was trying to do was to point out that both sides deserve to be treated differently because they act differently. And what I get is an arrogant BS that insults me while condemning me for insults and a paragraph long rant explaining why an argument I never made is invalid.