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And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources.... Joel Send a noteboard - 18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM
Unless there is a secret amendment to the Constitution that allows the federal government to have forced retirement accounts that is. Even the some of the people who helped write the bill were worried that bill would held unconstitutional.

Though I can see why you like the article, since it so well states your "Social Security is unconstitutional but that does not mean we want it abolished; here are all the reasons it should be anyway...:" argument. Perry parrots the same refrain, reminding me that the GOP tends to think with one brain (usually Cheneys.) Of course, if we read the whole article we find a familiar theme of New Deal policies: Huge congressional majorities passed and FDR signed bills automatically struck down by nine men appointed by Harding, Coolidge and Hoover as part of their overall laissez-faire policies. The policies that led to the Depression, 25% unemployment, desperate Europe turning to fascist dictators and, ultimately, the Second World War. After four years watching nine men singlehandedly thwart the expressed will of an overwhelming majority of the American public, FDR proposed a law immediately adding six justices to the bench to end the stalemate. The public and even his partys congressional delegation reacted with shock and horror, but the point was made, and the SCOTUS ceased routinely "unlegislating" from the bench. A consequence was that the SCOTUS has already ruled Social Security constitutional, along with most of the rest of the New Deal.

None of which changes the facts: Calling Social Security unconstitutional can only mean one the speaker wants to:

1) ignore the Constitution or
2) abolish Social Security.

I think if you ask 100 people at random you will find 99 of them say both of those positions are extremely radical, so take your pick.
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So I am curious. What do our site conservatives think of Cain? - 18/10/2011 09:35:47 AM 915 Views
You'd probably be better off asking after tomorrow's debate - 18/10/2011 10:19:50 AM 741 Views
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what positions of Perry's do you consider radical? - 18/10/2011 03:56:30 PM 515 Views
Well, abolishing Social Security is pretty far out there, and publicly threatening the Fed Chairman. - 18/10/2011 04:50:03 PM 722 Views
yes but I was talkin about his actuall posistions not the made up stuff *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:10:47 PM 301 Views
When the candidate "makes them up" they are positions. - 18/10/2011 05:26:18 PM 532 Views
all you need to do is provide a link supporting your claim that Perry said he wants to abolish SS - 18/10/2011 05:56:23 PM 460 Views
Really? Do you not watch the news? That's common knowledge *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:04:06 PM 214 Views
Really give me link *NM* - 18/10/2011 06:38:24 PM 217 Views
It is ridiculously simple; here ya go: - 18/10/2011 08:15:24 PM 569 Views
OK he doesn't like it now give me the link where he wants to abolish it - 18/10/2011 09:29:38 PM 508 Views
You see no conflict between this post and your next one? - 18/10/2011 10:16:21 PM 659 Views
no I don't - 18/10/2011 11:36:38 PM 590 Views
By his own statements he either wants to end it or violate the Constitution. - 19/10/2011 12:13:33 AM 559 Views
you really excell at misunderstanding *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:30:32 AM 240 Views
and Perry is right about SS being unconstitutional - 18/10/2011 09:44:14 PM 487 Views
And you criticize MY choice of "unbiased" sources.... - 18/10/2011 10:33:56 PM 659 Views
I'm not a conservative, but - 18/10/2011 04:56:22 PM 555 Views
*hi5* *NM* - 18/10/2011 05:05:19 PM 230 Views
Imagine there is no pizza *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:02:36 AM 236 Views
Cain is the anti-christ? *NM* - 19/10/2011 12:18:21 AM 198 Views
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Try sounding out each word. - 20/10/2011 11:59:25 AM 593 Views
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I blame the press - 19/10/2011 09:05:36 PM 721 Views
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tl;dr *NM* - 20/10/2011 12:19:03 PM 219 Views
Still prefer "TL;DV." - 20/10/2011 12:33:41 PM 656 Views
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Re: let me ask you this about Cain - 20/10/2011 07:05:43 AM 569 Views

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