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I was totally agreeing with you until I wasn't. Vivien Send a noteboard - 30/09/2011 08:09:08 PM
The point I was making is that the modern assumption is that simply based on the odds and the number of stars there must be other intelligent life at there but since we have no idea what the odds of intelligent life developing are we really don't know how likely it is. If look at our planets we have had life here for about 3.8 billion years and it took most of that just to get beyond the single cell. Even after we developed multi cellular life it took another billion years to get us.


I agree with all of that. The biggest point that I totally agree with is on a universe scale, the window for civilization is less than a blink. Like you said, on a planet capable of sustaining life and all the stars are aligned (HA!) and all that, it took billions of years to get to human, and the extremely brief "blaze of glory" window is practically nothing compared to the time it took to get there.


If we look at all the tens of millions of species that did develop and the fact that only three developed real intelligence and two of those went extinct I think the evidence points intelligence being a very occurrence.

We like to assume others are there because it makes us feel better but I think that until proven otherwise we should assume we are alone and truly rare and unique occurrence. We shouldn't waste what could be the universes only shot at sentience.


Somewhat agree with some of it. I definitely wouldn't say that we are the universe's only shot at sentience. It happened in the solar system, it can happen somewhere else someday. It would be safer to say that humanity will not encounter intelligent aliens.
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An interesting thought I had that may be worth discussion. - 29/09/2011 07:22:01 PM 745 Views
Well, Fermi Paradox discussions usually end with ???? - 29/09/2011 07:51:59 PM 423 Views
you do have to hope there's intelligent life somewhere out there - 29/09/2011 07:56:48 PM 480 Views
I definitely agree with the first part. - 29/09/2011 08:32:33 PM 576 Views
why do you think only those options would be available? - 29/09/2011 08:35:53 PM 428 Views
Could be cultural domination. - 29/09/2011 09:32:18 PM 443 Views
*shrug* Humans aren't that bad - 29/09/2011 09:51:32 PM 413 Views
Oh yes we are. - 29/09/2011 10:27:52 PM 434 Views
Unless their advancement is so great they are VERY ethically enlightened, her fears seem valid. - 30/09/2011 03:04:40 AM 490 Views
hmmm - 30/09/2011 02:34:47 PM 424 Views
"And hey. I'll eat most anything once." - 30/09/2011 07:22:01 PM 402 Views
I think I've met a few aliens... - 30/09/2011 01:31:55 AM 434 Views
Why do fossil fuels have to be involved? - 29/09/2011 08:33:26 PM 407 Views
Going into the fossil fuel vs wood thing - 29/09/2011 08:51:07 PM 503 Views
The big issue is energy density, IMHO. - 30/09/2011 02:53:39 AM 513 Views
That's so perfect. - 30/09/2011 06:43:31 AM 453 Views
We really have no idea how rare advance technologies societies are - 30/09/2011 02:00:56 PM 553 Views
That's a really good point. - 30/09/2011 04:34:28 PM 467 Views
The doomsdays options don't really hold up well though - 30/09/2011 05:22:57 PM 479 Views
I think we have different interpretations of "silence" - 30/09/2011 07:47:32 PM 580 Views
It kind of comes down to whether FTL is possible - 30/09/2011 09:12:32 PM 546 Views
hmmm - 30/09/2011 07:51:42 PM 338 Views
Yeah but that's just a variant of "Highly advanced aliens who for some reason are totally stupid" - 30/09/2011 10:21:34 PM 558 Views
I didn't mean to imply that were not talking to us because they looked down on us - 01/10/2011 01:07:02 AM 505 Views
Re: I didn't mean to imply that were not talking to us because they looked down on us - 01/10/2011 02:50:42 AM 502 Views
thanks for the detailed answer - 01/10/2011 03:08:48 PM 490 Views
No prob, hopefully it's not all inaccurate nonsense - 01/10/2011 03:18:05 PM 527 Views
not to mention that the universe is HUGE - 30/09/2011 07:53:33 PM 416 Views
True - 30/09/2011 10:37:58 PM 380 Views
of course I can't say, that was my point - 30/09/2011 07:42:55 PM 429 Views
I was totally agreeing with you until I wasn't. - 30/09/2011 08:09:08 PM 563 Views
That's pessimistic, though. The "blaze of glory" is ongoing. - 01/10/2011 04:25:28 AM 407 Views
another thing for consideration - 01/10/2011 11:55:12 AM 413 Views

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