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That's a really good point. Vivien Send a noteboard - 30/09/2011 04:34:28 PM

As far as we know the reason we don't see anyone else out there is that a species aggressive enough to advance this far is too aggressive to sustain it. Or maybe societies like ours either use up all the cheap energy in a flash and go out in a blaze fighting over what is left or they learn to control their populations, life small and stay at home and keep quite.



Well the odds- you haven't visited 15 trillion planets so you can't say that we're the only ones that beat the odds. You really only know of the planets in the solar system. I definitely agree that the odds are extremely low but there are also a whole lot of chances for it to happen.

But I really like your point about aggression and the blaze of glory thing. I think it's possible that theory covers it and explains why it's practically impossible that civilizations in different star systems would ever meet.
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An interesting thought I had that may be worth discussion. Macharius - 29/09/2011 07:22:01 PM 744 Views
Well, Fermi Paradox discussions usually end with ???? Isaac - 29/09/2011 07:51:59 PM 423 Views
you do have to hope there's intelligent life somewhere out there Yunalesca - 29/09/2011 07:56:48 PM 480 Views
I definitely agree with the first part. Vivien - 29/09/2011 08:32:33 PM 575 Views
why do you think only those options would be available? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2011 08:35:53 PM 426 Views
Well just look at the history of Earth. And the cultural/advancement disparity would be FAR greater. *NM* Aeryn - 29/09/2011 08:58:52 PM 159 Views
Could be cultural domination. Vivien - 29/09/2011 09:32:18 PM 443 Views
*shrug* Humans aren't that bad LadyLorraine - 29/09/2011 09:51:32 PM 413 Views
Oh yes we are. Vivien - 29/09/2011 10:27:52 PM 434 Views
In one particular space opera, it's a mix and probably the best situation possible for humans. Vivien - 29/09/2011 10:21:42 PM 589 Views
Unless their advancement is so great they are VERY ethically enlightened, her fears seem valid. Joel - 30/09/2011 03:04:40 AM 490 Views
hmmm Yunalesca - 30/09/2011 02:34:47 PM 423 Views
"And hey. I'll eat most anything once." Joel - 30/09/2011 07:22:01 PM 402 Views
I think I've met a few aliens... everynametaken - 30/09/2011 01:31:55 AM 433 Views
Those know it all holier than thou all powerful vegan aliens are SO annoying. Vivien - 30/09/2011 06:40:30 AM 410 Views
Why do fossil fuels have to be involved? LadyLorraine - 29/09/2011 08:33:26 PM 405 Views
Going into the fossil fuel vs wood thing Isaac - 29/09/2011 08:51:07 PM 502 Views
The big issue is energy density, IMHO. Joel - 30/09/2011 02:53:39 AM 512 Views
That's so perfect. Vivien - 30/09/2011 06:43:31 AM 453 Views
I still agree with the view they are unlikley to intentionally punish us. Joel - 30/09/2011 09:35:13 AM 431 Views
We really have no idea how rare advance technologies societies are random thoughts - 30/09/2011 02:00:56 PM 553 Views
That's a really good point. Vivien - 30/09/2011 04:34:28 PM 467 Views
The doomsdays options don't really hold up well though Isaac - 30/09/2011 05:22:57 PM 478 Views
I think we have different interpretations of "silence" Vivien - 30/09/2011 07:47:32 PM 580 Views
It kind of comes down to whether FTL is possible Isaac - 30/09/2011 09:12:32 PM 546 Views
hmmm random thoughts - 30/09/2011 07:51:42 PM 338 Views
Yeah but that's just a variant of "Highly advanced aliens who for some reason are totally stupid" Isaac - 30/09/2011 10:21:34 PM 558 Views
I didn't mean to imply that were not talking to us because they looked down on us random thoughts - 01/10/2011 01:07:02 AM 503 Views
Re: I didn't mean to imply that were not talking to us because they looked down on us Isaac - 01/10/2011 02:50:42 AM 501 Views
thanks for the detailed answer random thoughts - 01/10/2011 03:08:48 PM 489 Views
No prob, hopefully it's not all inaccurate nonsense Isaac - 01/10/2011 03:18:05 PM 526 Views
not to mention that the universe is HUGE Yunalesca - 30/09/2011 07:53:33 PM 415 Views
True Isaac - 30/09/2011 10:37:58 PM 379 Views
of course I can't say, that was my point random thoughts - 30/09/2011 07:42:55 PM 428 Views
I was totally agreeing with you until I wasn't. Vivien - 30/09/2011 08:09:08 PM 561 Views
That's pessimistic, though. The "blaze of glory" is ongoing. Ghavrel - 01/10/2011 04:25:28 AM 407 Views
Re: If life formed, why might there not be fossil fuels equivalent to, or greater than, our own? *NM* Gaps - 01/10/2011 03:16:23 AM 230 Views
another thing for consideration Yunalesca - 01/10/2011 11:55:12 AM 413 Views
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